Lessons from Michigan... (breakdown of voting)

I think part of the problem is that he sees the nexus connecting all the "number 1 issues." The war is huge with him because of the constitutionality of it (or lack thereof) as well as the economics of it.

He sees how one issue so greatly effects the others. They aren't all separate issues, they feed each other.

Pesonally, I think that's one of the reasons we women have trouble with it. It's just too big to get our minds around. It takes a lot of thought-work to understand even a little chunk of it and it's flat out easier not to. These are BIG issues intertwined and that's hard to fit into soundbites we're so conditioned to hear.

We sometimes like for our "leaders" to tell us everything's gonna be alright whether it's true or not. Dr. Paul can't do that, 'cause it's just not, at least not without a lot of work.

That's my 2cents anyway!
Danya
 
Based on MSNBC's exit polls http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21228184 , McCains's supporters are most often the closest fit to Paul supporters. Huckabee supporters are the second most like Paul's. Fred Thompson supporters are the most opposite of Paul supporters.

These are the two guys, Huckabee first and then McCain, who suddenly became media favorites and shot up in the polls. McCain must be pulling support fron RP.

Also, I noticed that McCain polls heavily among vets.

In the NH exit poll, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21228191/ about half of the McCain and Huckabee supporters were favorably disposed to RP. Romney, Giuliani, and Fred supporters tended to be hostile.
 
Do some of the women here on this forum think Ron could better with women if we put out a good antiwar ad?

Maybe. What about an ad with Ron Paul's wife speaking about him? Or one of his granddaughters?

What about an ad saying that he's a medical doctor who's delivered 4,000 babies, who doesn't take a congressional pension, and who only goes by the Constitution? With me, those are the things that got me interested at first (I already liked RP but those things amazed me!)

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He did not do well among women and Christian voters.
It appears that the muslim community did not vote at all.
It IS a heavily Democratic state.

I am 62 and female. I have no problem understanding RP's message and would have understood it 40 years ago, because it is the message for which I have been waiting for years. However, I have more of an analytical and realistic mindset and am not the usual kind of woman who likes to shop, nor play bridge, even if I had time, nor have I been a stay at home mother since my children were about ten-divorced and had to become independent. In fact, I do not enjoy being around women usually, because they have nothing interesting to say. They are all fluff. This does not apply to all women, just so many of the ones I have met. Totally clueless. That said, I am on limited fixed income and retired. So Dr. Paul’s message should at least resonate with bright, thinking, independent women trying to survive, possibly rear children, but are not looking for a handout. How do you find women like that? :eek:

There needs to be a simple way to explain to women about economy. You know, like you explain to women that when they go to the store and pay $1.60 for one apple; or $1.19 for one onion--that is not normal. Or even explain it like an (apple) pie graph. If you cut the pie such and such a way six people get a slice, but another way and only four get a slice, you only get half a pie for last years cost of a whole pie. Good grief, how in the world did women get to be so^&&%*#&$# ? How simplistic must one be in explaining the economy. Big problem is that people today, myself included have never seen a depression. Many think they are just fine economically, but it could all change in a few months. How does one convince people of the dangers in a rational way?

Many women growing up had no interest in math. They still don't, but they should be able to grasp simple analogies for the cost of all those things they buy, and how they continue to cost more and more, but their income is not growing fast enough to keep up. Women do most of the shopping. They should see this on a daily basis. So I do not get why they do not take it seriously. Maybe they do not look at prices, but just charge it without thinking about it. How do you explain to women that we are borrowing billions of dollars from other countries just to buy gasoline for our automobiles?

Then the war thing, yes, he needs to say as was suggested, have the troops home within six months. Iraq and Afghanistan (which no one even bothers to mention except Dr. Paul) seem like a world away. Somehow it needs to be brought closer to America in their minds and how being busybodies around the world causes people to hate us and that is why the radical thugs attack us. How much simpler can you make it???

Yes, he needs to make certain his message is out there the old fashioned way, on printed material, because I think women do not have time to surf the net, or do not spend time on the net over politics and news, and economy. They have less interest in these subjects except for limited things which they are worried about and they seem to buy right into the fear and warmongering messages they get from tv MSM news. They look at McCain with his one foot already in the grave; he looks familiar and talks softly, and says "My friends", and I guess they buy it. Or Romney, tells them what they wish to hear and they buy it. They do not want the truth.

No one seems to want to hear the truth, so they buy into some imaginary dream.

Sorry, I am just so disgusted with people who do not think for themselves. I have not been much help here, but it is just so frustrating. Even my best friend does not buy a single word I try to say to her about all this and about Dr. Paul. She heard him make the remark about fascism coming to America wearing its religion and wrapped in a flag and she totally rejected anything else I could say to her. For a reasonalbly intelligent woman, she simply does not get it and even asked me not to bother her with any more information about Dr. Paul. She has a son in Iraq, just as I have had two sons there, and in Saudi Arabia, and Kosovo.

So I am burned out trying to come up with good arguments for a little while. Maybe in a few days I will be able to think of something.

Hey, we did pretty well in Michigan overall with no MSM coverage and knowing it was Romney's home state to win. Thompson and Giuliani are the ones who look bad. :)
 
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It has been polled that US citizens are more concerned about the economy than the war.

We just don't get out enough that Paul is also the solution to the economy as well!!!!!!



(I have started talking about the economy as Paul is the only candidate who doesn't give lip service to the economy, HE KNOWS HOW TO FIX IT!

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Youd *think* an OB/GYN of ALL people would know how to talk to women. Especially considering what he does as that particular type of Doctor. I mean come on already....
 
Unfortunately, often, "I'm concerned about the economy"="the gov. should give me stuff."

RP needs an ad about the housing crash (literally hits home) and his solution (sound money).

See the Nickelodeon RP video for women/trust/anti-war.

http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/
 
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Have they made a statement saying they won't make an anti war ad?

Grass root's we must take action!
 
All these topics usually end up with are how dumb women are.

Well it is unfortunately true!

Women aren't actually stupid, but they just don't ever seem to care bout politics for some reason. In addition to that women tend to be far too emotional about matters, which is why the tend to lean towards socialism. Good for Hillary Clinton, not good for Ron Paul...
 
I've heard many women tell me they don't like his idea on abortion!
They are afraid to lose their right to choose what they do with their body!

Not my opinion...just telling you what I hear.
 
According to those exit polls, 19% "strongly oppose the war in Iraq". So, shouldn't Ron Paul have the majority of that 19% and much of the "somewhat oppose the war"? Why is McCain getting these votes when he seems to be one of the most supportive of the war? The campaign really needs to start doing some anti-war ads. The majority of the Republican may not agree, but we need a plurality, not a majority to win primaries.

Personally, I attribute that to a couple things:

1) People assume that since McCain was a POW, he wouldn't want the troops in Iraq (i.e. people have not researched his actual stance on the war

2) The campaign failed to effectively market well-produced anti-war ads which contrast Paul & McCain's stated positions -- I actually think a grassroots video would do an excellent job of this.
 
I've heard many women tell me they don't like his idea on abortion!
They are afraid to lose their right to choose what they do with their body!

Not my opinion...just telling you what I hear.

I've heard the same thing-- campaign needs to air ads that clearly state Paul's position on Roe v. Wade.
 
I've heard many women tell me they don't like his idea on abortion!
They are afraid to lose their right to choose what they do with their body!

Not my opinion...just telling you what I hear.

Agreed. I think more women need to understand that he would leave it up to the states. I saw a stat that showed no state would make it 100% illegal and most states would leave it like it is now. Although the age of the fetus would generally go down in the south to less than a month or at the very least for: rape/incest/save mothers life, it would stay at roughly 2-3 months (first trimester) every where else.

If women (and men who are pro-choice) understood that it would become a non-issue.

I can't find the stat, if someone can trawl through a google search and find it that would be great.
 
The most disturbing stat from that chart is that of people who think Ron Paul is "Most likely to bring needed change" 48% actually voted for him. Mccain and Romney had 88%, and Huckabee had 79%.

Good god, I hate people. This is an obvious display of "I prefer ron paul, but I'm gonna vote for a top-tier"
 
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According to those exit polls, 19% "strongly oppose the war in Iraq". So, shouldn't Ron Paul have the majority of that 19% and much of the "somewhat oppose the war"? Why is McCain getting these votes when he seems to be one of the most supportive of the war? The campaign really needs to start doing some anti-war ads. The majority of the Republican may not agree, but we need a plurality, not a majority to win primaries.

I think for Michigan that strat would have worked, but most states aren't an open primary like that.

Most states are closed primaries and the anti-war advertising isn't going to fly with registered Republicans.
 
Based on MSNBC's exit polls http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21228184 , McCains's supporters are most often the closest fit to Paul supporters. Huckabee supporters are the second most like Paul's. Fred Thompson supporters are the most opposite of Paul supporters.

These are the two guys, Huckabee first and then McCain, who suddenly became media favorites and shot up in the polls. McCain must be pulling support fron RP.

Also, I noticed that McCain polls heavily among vets.

In the NH exit poll, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21228191/ about half of the McCain and Huckabee supporters were favorably disposed to RP. Romney, Giuliani, and Fred supporters tended to be hostile.

It sounds like we should be hoping for McCain to drop out, then. :)
 
According to those exit polls, 19% "strongly oppose the war in Iraq". So, shouldn't Ron Paul have the majority of that 19% and much of the "somewhat oppose the war"? Why is McCain getting these votes when he seems to be one of the most supportive of the war? The campaign really needs to start doing some anti-war ads. The majority of the Republican may not agree, but we need a plurality, not a majority to win primaries.

The problem lies in the "Most likely to bring needed change" stat. Half the people who think Ron Paul is best, vote for the "top-tiers".
 
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