Lessons from Michigan... (breakdown of voting)

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Some very, very interesting numbers here....

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#MIREP

1. Ron nearly won the Michigan election if you look only at 18-24 year old voters. Young people come out very strongly for Dr Paul. The older the voter, the less likely to support RP. You can thank the internet for his strength among people, I am quite sure. I doubt many 70 year olds, on the other hand, are spending much time on the net.

2. Ron did extremely well among atheists and non-religious people.

3. Ron did not do well with women, once again. I think putting out an antiwar ad would change this, but the HQ seems determined not to make an antiwar ad, even though it's Ron's number 1 issue.

4. Ron did not do well with veterans, which seems odd to me. Again, I think a strong anti-war ad is needed.

5. Ron did not do well with people worried about the economy. This is mind-boggling. And again, we have no real ad for the economy issue. The campaign seems determined not to talk about economics, even though it's Ron's number 2 issue.

The great news are those stunning numbers among young people. The GOP brass in Washington is probably looking at those numbers and shaking in their boots.

 

[CareerTech1]

Ron Paul got 2.5 times as many votes as Giuliani and twice as many as Thompson

 

[Bilgefisher]

Ron Paul got 2.5 times as many votes as Giuliani and twice as many as Thompson

Agreed he beat those two, but there is no reason we can't learn from what worked and what didn't.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Do some of the women here on this forum think Ron could better with women if we put out a good antiwar ad?

 

[NYgs23]

I recommend turning 90% of every man over 24 into soylent green and 95% of the women. That should weed of the media dupes.

 

[Jeremy]

I don't know why you keep bringing up women without the obvious fact that internet users are mostly male.

 

[DeadtoSin]

Guys look, the Christian vote is ripe for the picking. I've talked to my friends at church just two or three times, because they are older and not very internet savvy. I gave them the REAL truth about the candidates, and though they aren't quite there yet, they are far more friendly to Ron Paul's policies after two short discussions than you would ever believe. They dislike Huckabee greatly..at least by and large at my church.

Think about this.

 

[Eric21ND]

Guys look, the Christian vote is ripe for the picking. I've talked to my friends at church just two or three times, because they are older and not very internet savvy. I gave them the REAL truth about the candidates, and though they aren't quite there yet, they are far more friendly to Ron Paul's policies after two short discussions than you would ever believe. They dislike Huckabee greatly..at least by and large at my church.

Think about this.

What did you tell them about Huckabee? I'd like to convert some of them to our camp.

 

[pcosmar]

From my perspective that is not at all accurate, as I know some of the voters here.
50, 62, 82 yrs. Two of those are women, one is very religious and the other are Christian.
That kind of blows the statistics.
This is a Large county, in area mostly rural.
There are two active Ron Paul supporters.
One is a High school student. The other is an unemployed farmer.
We got 135 votes.

The main thing was NO MEDIA coverage, NO TV Ads, NO Newspaper and only a few radio Ads late and on a obscure AM station.
Romney,McCain and Huck had TV ADs for weeks saturating the airwaves.
I am mostly disappointed in the ignorance of voters.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Any women want to chime in?

 

[amy31416]

Do some of the women here on this forum think Ron could better with women if we put out a good antiwar ad?

I don't know, the war is my number one issue. Economy second. National Defense third.

Is that the number one issue for other women?

 

[Dlynne]

Any women want to chime in?

I don't think Ron knows how to talk to the masses, including women. Most people can't comprehend Austrian economics, abolish the IRS, or "just come home." Instead of "just come home," it needs to be "within 6 months of taking office, the troops will be home."

I noticed that Romney talked to the people in Michigan about their jobs, the fact that so much manufacturing is going overseas. He brings it down to a real level that the man and the woman in the street understand.

Paul is the most sincerely compassionate candidate, but he needs a lot of help and coaching in presenting the message. It would also help, for example, if his website could produce some hard numbers on how the country can function without the income tax. Saying "anybody can research it" doesn't cut it.

In other words, Paul needs to know how to deliver his message in real, everyday terms, so people can relate to how his beliefs, if implemented, will effect their lives.

 

[jhabers]

I don't think Ron knows how to talk to the masses, including women. Most people can't comprehend Austrian economics, abolish the IRS, or "just come home." Instead of "just come home," it needs to be "within 6 months of taking office, the troops will be home."

I noticed that Romney talked to the people in Michigan about their jobs, the fact that so much manufacturing is going overseas. He brings it down to a real level that the man and the woman in the street understand.

Paul is the most sincerely compassionate candidate, but he needs a lot of help and coaching in presenting the message. It would also help, for example, if his website could produce some hard numbers on how the country can function without the income tax. Saying "anybody can research it" doesn't cut it.

In other words, Paul needs to know how to deliver his message in real, everyday terms, so people can relate to how his beliefs, if implemented, will effect their lives.

YES!

 

[exer51]

I don't think Ron knows how to talk to the masses, including women. Most people can't comprehend Austrian economics, abolish the IRS, or "just come home." Instead of "just come home," it needs to be "within 6 months of taking office, the troops will be home."

I noticed that Romney talked to the people in Michigan about their jobs, the fact that so much manufacturing is going overseas. He brings it down to a real level that the man and the woman in the street understand.

Paul is the most sincerely compassionate candidate, but he needs a lot of help and coaching in presenting the message. It would also help, for example, if his website could produce some hard numbers on how the country can function without the income tax. Saying "anybody can research it" doesn't cut it.

In other words, Paul needs to know how to deliver his message in real, everyday terms, so people can relate to how his beliefs, if implemented, will effect their lives.

I can't tell you how many people I've converted AFTER explaining how his "radical" views actually are. They hear something like "no IRS" and their feeble minds can't wrap around how such a thing is possible! Explain bring troops home=no IRS + additional spending cuts = no deficit WITHOUT the IRS and they get it. Since he doesn't have the benefit of being able to talk to everyone such as I do he needs to change his phrasing for for the simpletons.

 

[saahmed]

According to those exit polls, 19% "strongly oppose the war in Iraq". So, shouldn't Ron Paul have the majority of that 19% and much of the "somewhat oppose the war"? Why is McCain getting these votes when he seems to be one of the most supportive of the war? The campaign really needs to start doing some anti-war ads. The majority of the Republican may not agree, but we need a plurality, not a majority to win primaries.

 

[jake]

According to those exit polls, 19% "strongly oppose the war in Iraq". So, shouldn't Ron Paul have the majority of that 19% and much of the "somewhat oppose the war"? Why is McCain getting these votes when he seems to be one of the most supportive of the war? The campaign really needs to start doing some anti-war ads. The majority of the Republican may not agree, but we need a plurality, not a majority to win primaries.

they don't know about Ron Paul.

 

[mokkan88]

Some very, very interesting numbers here....

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#MIREP

1. Ron nearly won the Michigan election if you look only at 18-24 year old voters. Young people come out very strongly for Dr Paul. The older the voter, the less likely to support RP. You can thank the internet for his strength among people, I am quite sure. I doubt many 70 year olds, on the other hand, are spending much time on the net.

2. Ron did extremely well among atheists and non-religious people.

3. Ron did not do well with women, once again. I think putting out an antiwar ad would change this, but the HQ seems determined not to make an antiwar ad, even though it's Ron's number 1 issue.

4. Ron did not do well with veterans, which seems odd to me. Again, I think a strong anti-war ad is needed.

5. Ron did not do well with people worried about the economy. This is mind-boggling. And again, we have no real ad for the economy issue. The campaign seems determined not to talk about economics, even though it's Ron's number 2 issue.

The great news are those stunning numbers among young people. The GOP brass in Washington is probably looking at those numbers and shaking in their boots.

Ron's number one issue is economics and the value of the dollar. This is his platform. The media totes him as the antiwar candidate.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

According to those exit polls, 19% "strongly oppose the war in Iraq". So, shouldn't Ron Paul have the majority of that 19% and much of the "somewhat oppose the war"? Why is McCain getting these votes when he seems to be one of the most supportive of the war? The campaign really needs to start doing some anti-war ads. The majority of the Republican may not agree, but we need a plurality, not a majority to win primaries.

Ask the HQ why we still have no antiwar ad.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Ron's number one issue is economics and the value of the dollar. This is his platform. The media totes him as the antiwar candidate.

Wrong. Ron Paul himself has stated on camera that the war is his number one issue.

 

[cicatrice]

I'm so out of touch with what the average person of my gender believes or responds to I really don't know how to respond. I'm already usually the only girl in my online communities (being a gamer) and I'm one of the only girls at my local meet-up and college Ron Paul club.

And echoing what many others have said, I feel that the complexity of RP's ideas and how they're communicated is probably where the disconnect occurs:

I don't think Ron knows how to talk to the masses, including women. Most people can't comprehend Austrian economics, abolish the IRS, or "just come home." Instead of "just come home," it needs to be "within 6 months of taking office, the troops will be home."

I noticed that Romney talked to the people in Michigan about their jobs, the fact that so much manufacturing is going overseas. He brings it down to a real level that the man and the woman in the street understand.

Paul is the most sincerely compassionate candidate, but he needs a lot of help and coaching in presenting the message. It would also help, for example, if his website could produce some hard numbers on how the country can function without the income tax. Saying "anybody can research it" doesn't cut it.

In other words, Paul needs to know how to deliver his message in real, everyday terms, so people can relate to how his beliefs, if implemented, will effect their lives.