Lepard opinion of financial crisis

Lastly, get some mirror texts - the same book in English and Russian. Ideally, children's books to start with.

An excellent mirror text is "Where There Is No Doctor". It's written in basic language and you will learn something useful when you use it. It's been translated into 75 languages. Unfortunately, the Russian version is OOP. You could try to find a copy here:

http://used.addall.com <== Meta used book search engine

(you can download the book in English for free here, or buy a dead tree edition).
http://www.hesperian.org/mm5/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=HB&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=B010R

Other languages:
http://www.hesperian.org/publications_translation.php
http://www.hesperian.org/mm5/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=HB&Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=OTH
http://www.hesperian.org/mm5/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=HB&Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=ESP

hope that helps,

-n
 
I'm not too worried about food or water. When all else fails, we can always eat liberals. Then distill their blood into water to drink.
 
Awesome thread...

Great stuff!!!

llepard, WRellim and others solid info...

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Long time lurker trying to contribute...

I totally agree with a 20% allocation in precious metals. If you don't have a $100k or even $10k it doesn't matter. Start with what you have. Silver has the potential to at least equal gold and possibly out perform. IMO if SHTF...gold coins will be monthly expenses. Silver coins will be weekly expenses. The stories about the housewives going to the baker / grocery stores during the depression and the ladies with silver coins moving to the front of the line. A silver ounce can be bought for under $20 at a coin store near you. Buy 1 each week or 10 now if you can. They could be worth a week of food each.


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Barter items: Liquor will be worth its weight in gold. A cheap case of vodka or rum...cigarette / lighters...can openers...tuna fish....spam...bags of rice...honey...cooking oil...aluminum foil...popcorn...peanut butter...

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Just do something! Be safe my friends...
 
Barter items: Liquor will be worth its weight in gold. A cheap case of vodka or rum...cigarette / lighters...can openers...tuna fish....spam...bags of rice...honey...cooking oil...aluminum foil...popcorn...peanut butter...

Im adding Sterno to your list or any other way you may know to cook food or boil water if the power grid is shut down. Good point about booze and smokes too. Anything that (1) people in mass are addicted to and (2) anything that people will use to temporarily escape the woes of every day depression-era life will be in very high demand as barter items. But, they do you no good if you don't protect them with a gun and ammo! All of these suggestions of what to stock up on mean NOTHING if someone can break into your house and steal them with impunity because you can't prevent it. In a total collapse things will turn into the wild west and you better be prepared to defend what's yours. Cops won't have gas to drive to your house, your phone won't have power to call 911, etc. You are on your own.

EDIT: Dont forget your pets too! Buying a few 40lb bags of dog food and a big supply of any medication they may need (dewormers, flea/tick repellent, etc) will keep your closest and most trusted friend happy and alive during the crisis too. And dogs make great deterrents in case someone tries to break into your house.

Great discussion btw. Lots of good info.
 
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Great stuff!!!

llepard, WRellim and others solid info...

****

Long time lurker trying to contribute...

I totally agree with a 20% allocation in precious metals. If you don't have a $100k or even $10k it doesn't matter. Start with what you have. Silver has the potential to at least equal gold and possibly out perform. IMO if SHTF...gold coins will be monthly expenses. Silver coins will be weekly expenses. The stories about the housewives going to the baker / grocery stores during the depression and the ladies with silver coins moving to the front of the line. A silver ounce can be bought for under $20 at a coin store near you. Buy 1 each week or 10 now if you can. They could be worth a week of food each.


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Barter items: Liquor will be worth its weight in gold. A cheap case of vodka or rum...cigarette / lighters...can openers...tuna fish....spam...bags of rice...honey...cooking oil...aluminum foil...popcorn...peanut butter...

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Just do something! Be safe my friends...

You speak my language. :D
Welcome to the commentary. :)
 
Im adding Sterno to your list or any other way you may know to cook food or boil water if the power grid is shut down. Good point about booze and smokes too. Anything that (1) people in mass are addicted to and (2) anything that people will use to temporarily escape the woes of every day depression-era life will be in very high demand as barter items. But, they do you no good if you don't protect them with a gun and ammo! All of these suggestions of what to stock up on mean NOTHING if someone can break into your house and steal them with impunity because you can't prevent it. In a total collapse things will turn into the wild west and you better be prepared to defend what's yours. Cops won't have gas to drive to your house, your phone won't have power to call 911, etc. You are on your own.

EDIT: Dont forget your pets too! Buying a few 40lb bags of dog food and a big supply of any medication they may need (dewormers, flea/tick repellent, etc) will keep your closest and most trusted friend happy and alive during the crisis too. And dogs make great deterrents in case someone tries to break into your house.

Great discussion btw. Lots of good info.

Yes, it is a very good discussion and hopefully people will take it seriously and work to convince their neighbors, friends, and family to do the same. I was considered 'Chicken Little' in my circle until the economy took a dump, now everyone is paying attention.

We've been fortunate in that we have acreage, gardens, chickens, etc. but we also have stocked up on EVERYTHING:

TP
laundry soap
dish soap
bath soap
razors
shampoo
etc, etc.

It took us almost a year to do it, but we have about a year of stuff now.

Buy cases of Top Ramen. You can get them at Costco for around 6.00. One package is a meal and there are about 50 meals per case. I normally do not allow that kind of food in my house but it will sustain you in a crisis and it is cheap. If you drop an egg in it, it adds great flavor and gives you some protein.

We stocked up on pain reliever, vitamins, and various medicinal creams and we went to Mexico and got some antibiotics. You don't need a presciption for them there. Put together a really good first aid kit.

Everyone has to shop, usually on a weekly basis. It's easier on the pocket book if you buy a few stock-up items every time you shop. Before you know it, you'll have a nice little supply of stuff.

We have 250 lbs of rice and 250 lbs of beans among many other canned and dried goods.

As to the weaponry. If you can't afford a gun, go to your next gun show and buy a taser for 40.00. It's better than nothing at all. And yes, Dogs are good alarm systems and some are great protectors. Stock up for your animals as well, as devil21 suggests.

We just bought a HAM radio. Guess where we got the idea from? Ron Paul. When Ray interviewed him, he mentioned it in passing. My husband and I looked at eachother and thought the same thing. "Why would he mention HAM radios"? You have to have a license (go figure) to use them so now we are in that process. But even if you can't get a HAM, get a 2-way, or contact your local HAM community - they are survivalists and will be a great asset to your community if shtf.

We also took our money out of everything, we have held back some cash and we invested in silver when it was 9 to 1 and gold when it was 675.00. We bought coins rather than bars, because we figured coins would be easier to trade with. We bought gold as a wealth protector and silver to trade with.

Hope all this helps.
 
A very good thread, and I agree that gold & silver will be the longest and best means of holding on to purchasing power. But even that in the very end won't help us.

Zephaniah 1:18A (New American Standard Bible)

18 " Neither their silver nor their gold
Will be able to deliver them
On the day of the LORD'S wrath"
 
LLepard and WRellim, two of what I consider to be RPFs "heavy hitters", come off the bench to blast home runs clear out of the park.

I can add nothing to what they have said that would not be superfluous, other than to say "Listen up folks".

Larry: if you are reading this, I'm away at work right now, but drop Mrs. Anti an email when you get a chance.
 
This stuff is disturbing, but it's better to know than not. I'm not personally afraid to invest in gold/silver/commodities--but I'm afraid to invest my mother's money in it and she's given me the reigns to invest for her. I am pretty torn about it.

It's one thing if it's my money, but if I sit on my hands and don't invest it for my mother and she loses everything, I'll blame myself. If I do invest in it for her and she loses money, I'll blame myself.

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Diversify. Its not all or nothing. Take a minimum of 10% of her assets and put them in gold/silver. They will not become worthless. And, the upside is 2-100x your money. (As measured in dollars). Think of it as insurance.
 
Llepard,

If we have a financial collapse, won't it seriously impact all other fiat currencies around the world? I am asking this question, as I'm trying to figure out whether investing in another currency, such as the Swiss Franc, is a good thing to do.

If you do believe that converting some of our USDs into Swiss Francs is a good thing to do, what instrument would you suggest to do so?
 
Llepard,

If we have a financial collapse, won't it seriously impact all other fiat currencies around the world? I am asking this question, as I'm trying to figure out whether investing in another currency, such as the Swiss Franc, is a good thing to do.

If you do believe that converting some of our USDs into Swiss Francs is a good thing to do, what instrument would you suggest to do so?

It could. That is why gold and silver are a core part of my plan. Having said that there are a lot of currencies which are much better than the dollar and do not have as many debt claims outstanding against them.

Think of it this way. The U.S. is going bankrupt. Dollars will be like Confederate dollars or Continentals. When these monetary systems failed others were ok. Granted, the dollar is the world's reserve currency so this time could be different.

Therefore, gold and silver first, then other currencies.
 
It could. That is why gold and silver are a core part of my plan. Having said that there are a lot of currencies which are much better than the dollar and do not have as many debt claims outstanding against them.

Think of it this way. The U.S. is going bankrupt. Dollars will be like Confederate dollars or Continentals. When these monetary systems failed others were ok. Granted, the dollar is the world's reserve currency so this time could be different.

Therefore, gold and silver first, then other currencies.

Are there any other currencies in the world that are backed by gold, silver, diamonds, or something else of worth?

thanks,

-n
 
To those of you back home

Foreign currencies are at just as much risk.
(I know - I have several million in my pocket right now - virtualy useless in the long term.)
The rest of the globe will still be dancing to the greenback waltz as the ship slips
beneath the waves. Anything but fiat currency will be worth more as long as you
can manage to keep a firm grip on it.

Gold and silver have a small problem of being difficult to hold onto if you travel,
but they are universal currencies around the globe.

(I was in the gold markets near here last month and amused by the ease with which
one could exchange gold for worthless paper.):rolleyes:

Best things are those things which cannot be pried loose by thugs or those who
appear to have some authority by dint of force.

!
By far the best thing you can get are friends who believe in at least the basic principles
you cherish.
!
 
A couple of notes:

Gold and Silver, at least here in Canada, is getting harder and harder to purchase anonymously as the government increasingly turns its eyes towards local dealers, proclaiming that terrorists/criminals are laundering money through dealers. I can buy it from one of our regulated banks, but the reporting requirements are unacceptable (i.e. drivers license/address) etc etc.

Digital gold currency sites are not acceptable as (a) you really don't know if your gold is there, and (b) it is a centralized system. This makes it a target for the bad guys as they will prosecute the owners, seize the servers and records, and waterboard the participants. In fact, the owners of e-gold just pleaded to a Fed charge of "money laundering" which sends out a disturbing message: a business is responsible for what its Customers do. I wrote a blog entry on FINTRAC, which ias Canada's "financial intelligence" federal department.

They are using that old stand-by of invoking the terrorist/criminal bogeyman and applying to participants in the digitical gold (and silver) currency sites. This is pure BS. What people have discovered is a mechanism where they can network and trade with each other outside the taxation and inflation system the State enforces upon us. That is what really has them concerned.

Of course they don't mention that the "red market" is where the greatest money laundering scam in the world takes place, namely via the central and private banks and legalized by the State.

Anyway, they are pushing for the local gold and silver dealers to be "regulated". Since they have a number of privacy seeking customers, the dealers know the writing is on the wall: as the "regulation" takes place, their Customers will dry up, thus they will be forced to either exit the business or go bankrupt.

My point is, if your regulation is anything like Canada's, you'll want to start your hard money purchases sooner rather than later. You will want to procure it anonymously - don't let the government know where it is, as they will want to pull you back into their taxation/inflation system.

As Alan Greenspan said (yes, that Alan Greenspan:

In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold. If everyone decided, for example, to convert all his bank deposits to silver or copper or any other good, and thereafter declined to accept checks as payment for goods, bank deposits would lose their purchasing power and government-created bank credit would be worthless as a claim on goods. The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves.

Secondly, you will want to set up a trading network with each other, using sound money. That way,
  • When (anyone believe if?) the collapse comes, you will have an established network of trading partners already set up.
  • If the collapse does NOT come, hey, guess what? You just set up a network where you can buy each others services/products without having to report it for taxation, regulation, and/or confiscation. Imagine your productivity gains trading part time without having 50% of it stolen via taxes and X% due to inflation. Just be sure not to centralize your network. P2P encrypted networking works best.

My debased two cents.....
 
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Are there any other currencies in the world that are backed by gold, silver, diamonds, or something else of worth?

thanks,

-n

Not one.

The central bank mechanism allows government to break accountability to the people, as they no longer have to go to the people and raise taxes to finance their debacles of the day.

Let me put it another way. If the government had to go to the people and raise taxes to finance the Iraq, Afghanistan, and probably Iran wars, how long do you think the people would stomach it? Even the sheeple would resist more. No MSM dialogue ever asks the question, "How the heck can we afford all these wars, nation-building, and policiing the world?".

It is fleeced from us via inflation, which the bobbleheads do not understand.

And that temptation is too great for any government to resist. No country restricts its currency issuance by tying it to a hard asset.

The world is an extremely dangerous place due in large part to fiat currency.
 
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