Lepard Investment View Update

This arrogance is what astounds me. Like somehow they are smart enough to be able to control all the little inputs and outputs of the economy. This is why central planning won't work.

The market is like an ecosystem with each little input and output acting in their own self-interest and yet somehow it benefits the entire ecosystem. Imagine that. Then when people come in and try to manipulate one aspect of it, such as with pesticides, all sorts of unintended consequences occur.

When will we ever learn.

They fully intended on putting this economic nosedive on hold until after Obama took over, as has been done with recessions before. Dump it on the incoming president. That failure alone shows they can't control things to the degree they like to think they do. Good thread and you continue to be a huge asset to the community, llepard. I just wish I had more available cash to buy up PMs! A new shipment of ammo arrived today though so it could be worse.
 
PS There is a lot of evidence that the price of gold is being suppressed by the Government. I believe the evidence. The best source on this is www.gata.org. They have a subscription service at www.lemetropolecafe.com. It costs $200 per year. I subscribe and find it to be a value.

PPS I have seen many analyses of what gold is really worth. It might interest you to know that the range is $2,000 per oz to $80,000 per oz. I am pretty sure that 2k is too low. I am thinking 5k is easy, 10,20 and 30 are possible. Presently there are $180Trillion of paper financial assets in the world. At today's price there is $4 trillion of gold in the world. So if gold replaced paper assets then gold would be worth 45 times its present value of $840 or $37,800 per ounce. Just food for thought.

Very good analysis. In regard to the gold price suppression I highly recommend watching this video with Robert Landis. He asserts that “Any rational person who continues to dispute the existence of the rig after exposure to the evidence is either in denial or is complicit” (7:35).
 
I will post again on the forums when I think we are reaching the tipping point on the next down turn. At that point in time selling stocks short and some of the double negative ETF's will be slam dunk investments.

Yes, PLEASE. Thanks, llepard.
 
This thread definitely gets bookmarked for future reference. Thanks.

Now if I could just figure out a way to get some old 401k money into gold stocks.
 
The ultimate question to me is this

In the coming worldwide recession/depression what is most valuable? Gold will always beat fiat buying power even if it collapses in price but in times of depression, say 25% unemployment and government spending out the wazoo what do "you" need. Do you gamble on an ounce of gold sustaining or appreciating enough buying power to feed and shelter you or is the feed and shelter itself the most valuable. In other words is my 850.00 an ounce gold worth more than 850.00 of food and shelter? All my analysis says its the latter. That is to say that in times of crisis the ability to self sustain oneself and family is the ultimate insurance policy. So on a pickem option, do I take say 25 acres of farmland with a near self sustaining shelter or simply invest in gold? If you already have the first option, the second is fine. If you do not have the first option, the second is simply a gamble. I say if any average Joe here has a typical 25-100k to invest that the land/farm/shelter/guns/water/ etc. is far more valuable than ounces of gold. If you already have option A then by all means go to B. If you do not have A then going directly to B is simply folly. So to all those looking to cash out the 401k and invest in gold first, consider what is, was, and always will be the first necessity in life which is to actually be able to survive. If you have that covered and are still liquid heck, buy all the pm's your heart desires.
 
In the coming worldwide recession/depression what is most valuable? Gold will always beat fiat buying power even if it collapses in price but in times of depression, say 25% unemployment and government spending out the wazoo what do "you" need. Do you gamble on an ounce of gold sustaining or appreciating enough buying power to feed and shelter you or is the feed and shelter itself the most valuable. In other words is my 850.00 an ounce gold worth more than 850.00 of food and shelter? All my analysis says its the latter. That is to say that in times of crisis the ability to self sustain oneself and family is the ultimate insurance policy. So on a pickem option, do I take say 25 acres of farmland with a near self sustaining shelter or simply invest in gold? If you already have the first option, the second is fine. If you do not have the first option, the second is simply a gamble. I say if any average Joe here has a typical 25-100k to invest that the land/farm/shelter/guns/water/ etc. is far more valuable than ounces of gold. If you already have option A then by all means go to B. If you do not have A then going directly to B is simply folly. So to all those looking to cash out the 401k and invest in gold first, consider what is, was, and always will be the first necessity in life which is to actually be able to survive. If you have that covered and are still liquid heck, buy all the pm's your heart desires.

How about learning to produce these? I'm sure they could be used for bartering just as cigarettes and booze would be.
 
Funny, as a youngster I bought a kit

How about learning to produce these? I'm sure they could be used for bartering just as cigarettes and booze would be.

and had some scientist friend cook up the petri dish medium at the lab and watched the cotton like fungus grow. Never did finish the project though. To each their own, I was more interested in the process than the results, as usual. I bet they'd be great soaking in some grey goose for a month, cure all that ails ya.
 
In the coming worldwide recession/depression what is most valuable? Gold will always beat fiat buying power even if it collapses in price but in times of depression, say 25% unemployment and government spending out the wazoo what do "you" need. Do you gamble on an ounce of gold sustaining or appreciating enough buying power to feed and shelter you or is the feed and shelter itself the most valuable. In other words is my 850.00 an ounce gold worth more than 850.00 of food and shelter? All my analysis says its the latter. That is to say that in times of crisis the ability to self sustain oneself and family is the ultimate insurance policy. So on a pickem option, do I take say 25 acres of farmland with a near self sustaining shelter or simply invest in gold? If you already have the first option, the second is fine. If you do not have the first option, the second is simply a gamble. I say if any average Joe here has a typical 25-100k to invest that the land/farm/shelter/guns/water/ etc. is far more valuable than ounces of gold. If you already have option A then by all means go to B. If you do not have A then going directly to B is simply folly. So to all those looking to cash out the 401k and invest in gold first, consider what is, was, and always will be the first necessity in life which is to actually be able to survive. If you have that covered and are still liquid heck, buy all the pm's your heart desires.

Excellent post. “Give a man a fish, and you’ll feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you’ve fed him for a lifetime.”

Gold is only a means to an end if it is used as a bridge to provide the where-with-all to get you through the coming crisis.
 
Sadly, I don't think he's really been around here for a long while... though his update still looks good to me.
 
One of the forum members requested an update on my investment views, so rather than respond privately, here goes.

Remember, make your own decisions. I am not an investment advisor. You are on your own. If you are not sophisticated just buy gold coins and store them in a safe place. This will preserve your savings. Do not sell them until things settle down and the new monetary alternative is clearly sound. If you are more educated about the markets read on.

1. I am appalled at the actions the US FED is taking. They are going to ruin the currency and this country. ZIRP, pushing on a string, quatitative easing. It is ALL BAD.

2. These arrogant, stupid bastards think the economy is a machine and all they need to do is push the right buttons and everything will come out OK. They are blatantly wrong and events will prove this.

3. I had a small hope that Obama might represent somewhat of a change from the past (you know CHANGE was his slogan) but with Summers, Rubin and Geitner controlling the monetary mechanisms it is clear that it will just be more of the same, or maybe even worse.

4. We are now in what I call the crash "intermission" or Obama bounce. Things like financial stocks have stopped plunging, but the real economy is literally disintegrating. YOY car sales down 42%! Huge unemployment. etc. It is bad and it will get much worse. Hopefully it will bring on a revolution.

5. IMHO this will be worse than the depression of the 1930's. Prechter and his elliott wave analysis support that. Also, Robert McHugh. BTW, both these subscriptions are well worth the cost. McHugh is RED HOT, he has called this year perfectly and calls turn dates on many markets to the DAY.

6. IMHO the world has been living a lie for 300 years believing that fractional reserve banking adequately allocates resources and profits. It does not. This lie is being exposed, but it will be a struggle of titans. The Market v. Statists. So far the market is winning. Since the trend is your friend I know who I am going to bet on.

7. Before this is all over the dollar will fail. All paper currencies will fail. Iceland is a good model for what will take place everywhere. For a brief period of time the world will be a very unsafe and unpleasant place.

8. The big picture trend is that paper will become worthless and stuff will have value. The exisitng monetary system will come to be regarded as the fraud that it is and a new monetary system will emerge.

9. Presently I have no stocks sold short. I am long gold. Long silver. and buying gold and mining stocks on every dip. They are a little extended right now.

10. The bond market is clearly in a bubble. Rates will go lower until they do not. I think the reversal will be as fast as the run up. The Dollar Standard is really just a larger version of the Madoff scandal. A ponzi scheme. Rates are being held low because the U.S. is buying its own bonds. Now think about that. It is like writing yourself a check to deposit in your checking account to cover an overdraft on the same account. IT IS A FRAUD. Of course they can pull it off because everyone believes in the dollar standard. The $64,000 question is how much longer will this go on. When it stops going on we have WEIMAR.

I submit that all people need is an alternative and they will use it. To me precious metals are the only viable alternative.

Once this Holiday Rally/Obama bounce is over I will go back to shorting stocks again. I think the stock market is going to totally disintegrate in 2009.

Gold stock prices right now are a gift from heaven. When deflation kicked in they all lost 50-90% of their value. The ratio of gold stock price to the price of gold has never been higher (meaning the stocks are cheap relative to the metal). I lost big money in an aggressive gold fund and I am sad about that, but I am doubling and tripling down because this is the last chance before the train leaves the station. I do however have some concern that even they will be taken lower in the dowturn that comes in 2009. My guess is they get soft, but outperform the general market. I may lighten up if I see trend lines being broken.

The crash in gold stocks reminds me of the crash in 1987. From 1982 to 1987 a bull market in stocks took place. It got ahead of itself and thus the crash in 1987. It proved to be a huge buying opportunity. Gold started going up in 2001. It went up every year from then until present. In fact it is the number one performing asset class in the 2000-2007 period. It got ahead of itself and the deflation and collapse this summer caused people to throw out the baby (gold & gold stocks) with the bath water (all other stocks.)

I like the double gold ETF's as trading vehicles. DGP and UGL.

I own the following gold stocks at various levels. They are overstretched right now, buy on dips.

AU, CDE, EGO, GG, HMY, GFI, KGC, NEM, RGLD, SLW. I also own a bunch of juniors but those are very speculative.

If you don't want to pick names just buy GDX. It is a good gold etf that holds top names. I own it.

Remember these are VOLATILE. If they go down do not sell them. I also own a lot of physical gold and silver. (safely stored off site).

Anyone with wealth has got to do this to protect their hard earned savings.

As an aside, if you want to read a story about what the coming Civil War may look like pick up a copy of Army of The Republic by Stuart Archer Cohen. It's a novel, but it seems pretty real to me. I really enjoyed it.

Best, LWL

PS There is a lot of evidence that the price of gold is being suppressed by the Government. I believe the evidence. The best source on this is www.gata.org. They have a subscription service at www.lemetropolecafe.com. It costs $200 per year. I subscribe and find it to be a value.

PPS I have seen many analyses of what gold is really worth. It might interest you to know that the range is $2,000 per oz to $80,000 per oz. I am pretty sure that 2k is too low. I am thinking 5k is easy, 10,20 and 30 are possible. Presently there are $180Trillion of paper financial assets in the world. At today's price there is $4 trillion of gold in the world. So if gold replaced paper assets then gold would be worth 45 times its present value of $840 or $37,800 per ounce. Just food for thought.

you hit the nail on the head.
 
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