Legalize pot to bail out the economy

[lucius]

lets see if I have this right...

if debt was valued like refer, Wall Street is offering up some oregano.

Good 4:20 analogy: our tax dollars bailing-out "bunk" investments.

 

[torchbearer]

It's sounds fun at first, but...
People will get the munchies, and food prices will rise again.

buy stock in nabisco.
I wanna plant a tree for our tomorrow.
Or a field of green...
Did I mention I have 1000s of acres of farm land and farm equipment that has been sitting idle for years because of poor farming markets?
I even have a john deere that starts by hand crank. Let's get cranking.
First state to legalize farm production of pot wins.

 

[lucius]

buy stock in nabisco.
I wanna plant a tree for our tomorrow.
Or a field of green...
Did I mention I have 1000s of acres of farm land and farm equipment that has been sitting idle for years because of poor farming markets?
I even have a john deere that starts by hand crank. Let's get cranking.
First state to legalize farm production of pot wins.

I'll be 'Friday'.

 

[Working Poor]

I can't believe hemp is even illegal our founding Fathers grew it and considered it to be patriotic to do so.

Let the crack dealers bail out Wall St.

 

[Working Poor]

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[olehounddog]

It doesn't need to be legalized, it needs to be decriminalized. Legalization means government, through the FDA, would retain control.

 

[cheapseats]

It doesn't need to be legalized, it needs to be decriminalized. Legalization means government, through the FDA, would retain control.

Decriminalization is the correct term, inasmuch as the illegality is contrived.

But inasmuch as we DO have a government that DOES require funding, it stands to reason that marijuana would be regulated and taxed akin to alcohol. The emerging hemp market would be subject to the same commercial law as other businesses (except for the Heavy Hitters who are more equal than other players and who are as above rules as they are above market downturns).

It is credibly estimated that between enforcement costs and foregone revenue, the contrived illegality of marijuana carries for this Addicted Nation...which is ironically and perpetually engaged in a War On Drugs...a price tag of $42 BILLION DOLLARS per year.

http://www.forbes.com/businessinthebeltway/2007/09/29/marijuana-laws-work-biz-cx_qh_1001pot.html

Too, there is the gross injustice of persecuting and prosecuting potsmokers while the Established Order is at liberty to minimize sorrows and maximize hilarity by guzzling oh-so-profitable booze.

Cindy McCain...drug addict turned Trophy Wife and heiress to a hundred-million-dollar-plus Budweiser distributorship fortune...issues an engraved invitation to Progressives, Pragmatists, Libertarians, and Reasonables of all stripes to pressure John McCain to address the travesty.

As well, SOMEONE needs to address the raiding of medical marijuana pharmacies, and the confiscation of their inventories by hooded gunmen claiming to represent the DEA.

 

[Trance Dance Master]

I would buy stock in a company that cultivated and distributed organic cannabis, provided they had a sound business model.

 

[cheapseats]

GET THE LEAD OUT, PLANT HEMP
25 July 2008
copyright 2008 Implausible Endeavors LLC

Biodiesel is in the news on CNN today.

Parenthetically, I’m pretty sure the newscaster is the Superficial Jerk who was on the red carpet at the Oscars...the one who disrespectfully inflamed Gary Busey’s disturbance and who encouraged whichever Insubstantial Beauty to feign-read-that-act, at another human’s expense, prissy and condescending.

Today, he’s doing the Superficial Jerk by interrupting the guy who is passing along the DETAILS of HOW to run a diesel car on biodiesel with, “...don’t give us a science lesson.” How else, Superficial Face Man Jerk, would the viewing audience know how to incorporate the news and information the dissemination of which pays your handsome salary.

CNN blows...it absolutely sucks. How’s THAT for oxymoronic?

Right now, this minute, is the time to decriminalize marijuana and hemp. The savings of beaucoups bucks on enforcement/prosecution/incarceration predicated on illogical, inconsistent, capricious legislation has always been ignored to the peril of Justice but now it is ignored to the peril of Economics. God knows, we care about money in a way that we do NOT care about Fair Play.

Hemp is a completely renewable energy source, the oil of which can be used in biodiesel. Independent truckers are dropping off the charts. Trucks deliver America’s Stuff. America can’t live without Stuff. If there will only be a few giant Trucking Companies...no different than a few giant oil companies, no different than a few giant airlines, no different than a few giant telecommunication providers...there will be rapacious pricing.

Every part of the hemp plant is usable.

Hemp was instrumental in America’s galvanization for WWII.

It is right and just that marijuana be as legal, as regulated and as taxed as alcohol. Get over it. Or get ready for a class action discrimination action. Alls we need is a coupla generous maverick-type attorneys...who will, in turn, gain fame and fortune. Attorneys are big on fame and fortune.

It is right and just to decriminalize marijuana, or it is right and just to reinstate Prohibition of Alcohol.

Prohibition of Alcohol will address a number of societal ills. Let the Drug Lords have alcohol too. They are better businessmen than businessmen...a ROBUST Black Market will constitute a tremendous economic stimulus, with money ending up in hands that are more contributory to more economic stimulus.

The fantastic sums of money that are thrown by Alcohol Pushers at advertisers and lobbyists will never be the influx to generalized economic health as those fantastic sums of money trading hands on the street. Them’s the people that still have to buy all the Stuff. Pay large sums to fancy-pants Advertisers is Big Money paying Big Money to Big Money...what’re they gonna do, buy a twentieth big-screen TV, a tenth car, a third house?

Well, yeah, actually they ARE snapping up foreclosures. Speaking of which, I am hearing ads on the radio that gush excitedly, “The foreclosure market has never been hotter.” The ad is urging the Moneyed Class to add real estate to their investment portfolios by capitalizing on the opportunities afforded by record foreclosures.

Right now, this minute, is the time to cross-reference the predatory lenders with the investment-in-foreclosures people. Any match-ups should be the focus of most rigorous investigation, with intent to prosecute to absolute fullest extent of the law. Me, I believe that Seizing The Assets is a reasonable and effective punishment for crimes attributable to Greed. Take it ALL, except one million dollars...nothin’ cruel and inhuman about having a million bucks waiting for you when you get out of prison. Ask all the pot smokers who are languishing in federal penitentiaries.

Whatever percent of the corn crop, poof, gone. Swoosh, really. Homeowners know the nightmare of traveling water. Even apartment-dwellers...and Street People, obviously...know ALL about water damage. Not for the faint of heart, Trouble With Water. As of last March when I drove through New Orleans, I can attest that the full force of the federal government does not have a handle on water damage. Is not trying to get a handle on that water damage either, as far as I could see. Except in the financial and tourist sections, those are spiffed up.

The farmers are fucked...theoretically. But the farmers are not as fucked as the Taxpayers, who underwrite the SEVERAL programs that are mitigating the farmers’ losses.

For sure though, those corn crops are not toast, but mud. This season, for corn, is lost. The ground is too wet to plant corn, even if it weren’t too late which it pretty much is. It’s getting close to Harvest Time...when Drifters oughtta be drifting toward the farming communities that need cheap day labor.

But they could plant hemp right now. They could plant hemp in a swamp. It is called Weed because it grows like a weed. Given resolve and the swift stroke of a pen...such as Congress is CLEARLY able to muster when they give a shit about something important, like Terri Schaivo...farmers can plant hemp the day after they secure seed. This year, while those acres are unusable for corn, hemp will yield one full harvest.

If you grow it, the infrastructure will come. There are myriad uses for hemp, from fiber to resin...recall that our Constitution is written on hemp paper. Innovation is inevitable. It perhaps represents an opportunity to incorporate, so to speak, more of our Native Indian population by means other than gambling. It is my understanding that hemp was a mainstay for their ancestors.

For that matter, we could invite a few Drug Lords in from the cold. They’re better businessmen than farmers, too. And, really, what’s the difference between Drug Lords or Drug Lords when it comes to working the land at a profit?

As things stand, Monsanto is buying up the arable land. Monsanto = Big Farming. I guaran-fucking-tee all those people who NOT being allowed to earn money/pursue happiness by farming and trading marijuana and hemp that marijuana and hemp will be just as legal as you please once Big Money owns the lion’s share of the arable land.

I am told that Monsanto has developed a hybrid corn seed, tres expensive, that farmers are obliged to buy in order to yield a competitive harvest. Then, whereas farmers have historically “held back” seed from each harvest, for planting the following year, they are forbidden to hold back Monsanto’s Wonder Seed. They must buy new seed.

The price of corn has tripled. Food prices are skyrocketing. We are clear that corn is not merely consumed as corn on the cob and popcorn, yes? Just like crude oil is not consumed only as gas in our cars.

Corn feeds animals...note the price of meat and milk.

Monsanto is in Big Farming with an expensive hybrid corn seed, at the same time that Mysterious Powers are driving the use of corn in ethanol...at the same time that Americans are suffering and people elsewhere are starving to death.

Corn is not efficient in production of ethanol. The alcohol part of ethanol comes from sugar. Corn, being a starch, must be converted to sugar. That constitutes an extra step, compared to use of sugar beets or sugar cane.

Whereas stubbornly perpetuating the capricious criminalization of marijuana and hemp has always been hysteria-based and hypocritical to boot, I submit that given revised “conditions on the ground,” it constitutes gross, willful fiscal malfeasance.

 

[JoshLowry]

Research should show you that plenty of drug money already ends up on Wall Street. Legalizing it would cause a dramatic price decrease in the illegal drug market further choking Wall Street.

So considering this action would hurt Wall Street even more...

I'M ALL FOR IT!!!!

I disagree.

Black markets keep prices high.

If weed were legalized, I think you would see a huge drop in prices. People wouldn't be worried about growing their own personal supply.

 

[Trance Dance Master]

I disagree.

Black markets keep prices high.

If weed were legalized, I think you would see a huge drop in prices. People wouldn't be worried about growing their own personal supply.

If they weren't too lazy to do so. Few tobacco smokers grow their own supply.

 

[JoshLowry]

If they weren't too lazy to do so. Few tobacco smokers grow their own supply.

Lots of people currently grow weed in their own home.

Good tobacco isn't $20 a gram.

 

[Deborah K]

I think pot should be legalized .....

Oh that's just great! Give the gov't something else to f'k up! Don't you drug legalizing advocates realize the ramifications if the gov't gets a hold of your weed, etc.? You are MUCH better off in the black market.

 

[JoshLowry]

All drugs should be legalized and non-violent substance users in prison should be released.

/in a free country...

 

[Deborah K]

All drugs should be legalized and non-violent substance users in prison should be released.

/in a free country...

I agree in the concept. I disagree in growing more gov't bureaucracy.

 

[amonasro]

It'd be a boon to all those suffering from chronic pain, digestive problems, sleep disorders, respiratory problems... the list goes on. Women even use it for cramps, and I can understand why. The FDA doesn't know what they're missing...

I've had the good luck to try a couple serious medicinal marijuana strains, let me tell you the stuff is no joke. It puts you in narcotic la-la land for about two hours where you do not move except to change the channel or eat (if you can un-melt yourself off the couch to get food). In a medical situation it'd be akin to taking a handful of darvocets but without the bad side effects. The stuff is so numbing that it could be used easily to replace addictive opiate-based drugs, and there are no side effects except for feeling happy and awesome.

 

[JoshLowry]

I agree in the concept. I disagree in growing more gov't bureaucracy.

Yea, I don't want more government either.

But they already regulate it to the point they will throw you in prison.

Legalizing drugs and then regulating it would be a step in the right direction.

Not that any of this is going to happen. lol...

 

[cheapseats]

Oh that's just great! Give the gov't something else to f'k up! Don't you drug legalizing advocates realize the ramifications if the gov't gets a hold of your weed, etc.? You are MUCH better off in the black market.

If we begin from the premise that government does poorly whatever it does, why would we exclude this steady source of revenue?

Since the blood bath of the Prohibition days suggests we'll not be re-criminalizing alcohol any time soon, why would not a substance that has had FAR lower rates of addiction-related costs than alcohol be incorporated into the flow of commerce?

To confer legitimacy upon some methods of relaxation and self-medication and criminality upon others is discriminatory on its face.

 

[Trance Dance Master]

Lots of people currently grow weed in their own home.

Good tobacco isn't $20 a gram.

Would weed still be $20 a gram when legal? Is it possible that with as many cannabis growers as there are out there already, it would become cheaper than tobacco due to supply? How much weed can $20 buy you in Jamaica?

It's really like gold vs. silver. The money masters control the price ratio to their benefit.

You are MUCH better off in the black market.

My tobacco is USDA certified organic. I would prefer my weed be the same way.

 

[cheapseats]

My tobacco is USDA certified organic. I would prefer my weed be the same way.

Completely do-able.