Legalising all drugs, where would they bough?
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It would depend on the local government. Consider alcohol-- in some states, it has to be purchased only through a state-run liquor store. In other states, it's easy for a neighborhood store to get a liquor license. And here and there, I understand, exist some dry counties where alcohol is still illegal.
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Assuming it were first legalized by any of the states (maybe Nevada or New Hampshire would take the lead on this one); Osco, CVS, Walgreens, Eckerd, etc. Probably any place where you can buy current legal drugs. Undoubtedly, there will be some, perhaps even most, businesses who will take the "moral high-ground" and not only not carry these, but they will use this fact to their marketing advantage, ala "Our store is family-friendly," or something like that.
The free market at work is truly magnificent.
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While everyone here who says it would vary state to state is correct, I will hazard a guess that it'd usually be sold at liquor stores. I imagine it would be regulated moreso even than booze, which doesn't bother me. The federal government might be involved in genuin interstate commerce issues, such as licensing drug manufacturers or something. Some drugs would remain illegal in all 50 states, but chances are that without the DEA and other feds bullying them, you'd see it open up eventually.
It would need to, you can't get rid of the black market and organized crime until it is legal.
Without its taboo status, I would expect experimentation to drop quite a bit.
I expect that it would never be available to minors, for their prices to be so low that people wouldn't need to steal to support their habits, and for certain holyrollers to never stop ranting about it despite how obvious it is that things have improved.
I advocate legalizing self-production of all drugs that are grown, but anything that needs to be chemically synthesized should only be manufactured in licensed laboratories.
It would need to, you can't get rid of the black market and organized crime until it is legal.
Without its taboo status, I would expect experimentation to drop quite a bit.
I expect that it would never be available to minors, for their prices to be so low that people wouldn't need to steal to support their habits, and for certain holyrollers to never stop ranting about it despite how obvious it is that things have improved.
I advocate legalizing self-production of all drugs that are grown, but anything that needs to be chemically synthesized should only be manufactured in licensed laboratories.
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I highly doubt substances that are incredibly damaging to communities would be legalized. There would be decriminalization in some areas and legalization of most of the benign substances in others. It's not about what we do with drugs, it's about what we do with drug users.
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I'm not sure that drugs themselves are highly damaging to communities. The crime associated with drugs is damaging, but much of that is due to the illegality of the drug trade. No one needs to shoot someone else over drug turf, if the stuff's worthless.
Cocaine is as harmless as pot in most contexts. There will be a few that ruin their lives over it, but we see winos in the alley who have done the same with cheap liquor. They are rare, I expect the same of cocaine.
The same probably holds true for heroin.
Meth? There's probably no way that it can ever be casually used and not ruin a person. But I expect its effects to limit people from ever trying it. It's not going to be a big deal. Treat those few dumb or suicidal enough to use it as the illness that it is. Legalization for all of it.
Cocaine is as harmless as pot in most contexts. There will be a few that ruin their lives over it, but we see winos in the alley who have done the same with cheap liquor. They are rare, I expect the same of cocaine.
The same probably holds true for heroin.
Meth? There's probably no way that it can ever be casually used and not ruin a person. But I expect its effects to limit people from ever trying it. It's not going to be a big deal. Treat those few dumb or suicidal enough to use it as the illness that it is. Legalization for all of it.
The states would decide.
My guess is that California would outlaw most drugs like heroin, meth, etc. And perhaps legalize marijauna. Cocain would probably not be legalized in a California state election. I don't smoke pot and I don't use drugs. I don't like the idea of people smoking pot but if they want to do it in their own home, let them. So long as they stay the hell away from me. I think hemp should be legalized.
Btw They used to put cocaine in Coca Cola. Have a coke and a smile.
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Wow, and I thought sugar cane in my Dublin Dr. Pepper was sweet...imagine the original Coke elixir.
Us over here in the USA, are stuck with high fructose corn syrup. UGH
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MAN ... I was making a PB and J sandwich today and the strawberry jam I had listed high fructose corn syrup as an ingredient. I can't get away from the crap!
I am definately working on phasing out that and every other *explicative deleted* chemical or artificially created substance out of my diet.
*shakes fist in off topic rage*
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Yep, and all thanks to a federally created price floor on sugar. Isn't government great?
I live in a country where possession of small quantities of illegal drugs for personal use is (partially) decriminalized. This means that if you're caught with small quantities and you're not producing for sale/dealing or a public/criminal nuisance, you usually get off with a fine. Try not to be in an accident while under the influence though. Additionally, drug use is seen as a social and not a criminal problem. Attitudes vary according to different drugs and as such the attitude toward meth and heroine (hard drugs) is far different than that toward marijuana and XTC (soft drugs). I've seen news reports about public anonymous pill testing being available at some rave parties.
Of course, this does lead to some interesting situations. Growing marijuana for sale and dealing in it is illegal.
Having possession and use decriminalized has all sorts of effects on the legal system, keeping the prison population down. Additionally we don't see the militarization of the police apparently sweeping the US. It's far from perfect, but probably better than the US.
There's another side to this. If full legalization were offered, the big pharmaceuticals might consider getting involved. A fully synthetic cocaine synthesis process, for instance, would cost a huge amount to develop but would probably break the back of the cartels. With better quality controls offered by synthetic coke there might not be enough of a market for the cartels' plant-derived product. If they object violently or legally, they open themselves to other options.
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I'm not too sure giving more power to the pharmaceutical companies is in the interest of the country at this point. I think a suggestion made by Dennis Mckenna that making a distinction between plants and compounds would be a step in the right direction. Allowing substances such as Psilocybin to be available, though more care and restriction with something such as acid, allowing coca leaves but not cocaine. People performing their own extracts and things of that nature will exist, but those who choose to do that will be less likely to abuse than someone just simply buying them.
Terence and Dennis Mckenna bring up interesting points in these interviews with regards to the "War on Drugs"
Mexico 1996 : http://youtube.com/watch?v=nq6N4kQK-KA
Drugs in social systems : http://youtube.com/watch?v=eWEmS4LAGEo
Dennis Mckenna on war on drugs : http://youtube.com/watch?v=NoSvvzm93Bk
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Your retarded. Why would anyone think that we should legalize these damaging drugs. Let me tell you why I think you who are for complete legalization need to be institutionalized.
1. My uncle almost completely ruined his life by doing drugs. It started with pot, then cocaine, heroine, and god knows what else. He had a great paying job with NAPA as one of the highest executives on the west coast, he lost it, along with his beautiful wife, and children. Now he is in his late 50's and works as a used car salesman and can not remember over 20 years of his life because of all the drugs he was taking. Luckily he is now helping other addicts and is starting to make up for lost time with his two children.
2. The same can be said about my brother in law. It is a similar story, although he can not get himself out of high school because all he cares about is getting high. I will not be surprised if he never moves out.
3. Lets take a look at The Netherlands, where these drugs are legal. All you have to do is walk through Amsterdam ounce to see all the scum shooting up in the streets, they of course get needles and safe places to shoot up paid for by taxpayers. And anyone that says that The Netherlands never had a problem is a filthy liar, do any research and you will find that when these "tolerant" laws to legalize drugs were passed, there was a rash of young men and women who died from their use. Legalizing drugs will make problems worse. Where do you draw the line, what will we legalize next, sex in the streets? Hey, if it feels good do it right? THERE IS A REASON THAT THESE LEFT-WING COUNTRIES ARE STARTING TO ELECT CONSERVATIVES, THESE POLICIES DO-NOT-WORK!!!!!!
This train of thought will be the death of America and will give birth to a nation with no morals and no soul, plain and simple. The truth is that doing any type of illegal drugs and using legal drugs knowingly wrong should not be tolerated. I am all for the states deciding what is best, but do not expect the vast majority of Americans to support legalization. I am from Olympia, Washington which is a very liberal city, and I know hard core socialists who would never in a thousand years support this type of talk. Not to mention mainstream voters who would have the exact same reaction to this garbage as I have. This is an area where I think you all who are advocating legalization need to wake up and think about what you are saying. Your ignorance about how drugs can ruin people's life's knows no bounds. Try talking to someone like me who has had an addict in the family and see what they say. Everyones life is better without drugs and those who take them should be ridiculed and shunned, thats my opinion.
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