LEGAL HELP NEEDED IN GA FOR RON PAUL SUPPORTERS - RULES VIOLATION

[Barrex]

Since the GOP is a private organization and the primary is a private function, what do you hope to accomplish with a lawyer?

If anyone gave money or is a member of GOP he can file a lawsuit.

 

[TheGrinch]

If anyone gave money or is a member of GOP he can file a lawsuit.

Good point. It was $20 a person to attend the county convention, then they got a pretty nice sum from the majoirty there Paul supporters, who they disenfranchised.

Of course under normal circumstances, a $20 dispute per person usually isn't going to make a suit worth it for either sides, but these aren't exactly normal circumstances. You'd like to think the juries will take this far more seriously than a normal consumer class action suit, since tihs has to do with disenfranchisement (which even if not illegal per law certainly falls under torts like misrepresentation, false advertising and the like).

If this group isn't already worknig with the Athens Clark County folks, shoot me a PM, because I know they're pursuing the same thing with aid of the campaign and GA4Paul, and have video evidence as well of clear wrongdoing.

 

[jblosser]

Since the GOP is a private organization and the primary is a private function, what do you hope to accomplish with a lawyer?

Private organizations still operate under contract with members (bylaws) and are accountable to courts for disputes, depending on their actual bylaws. In some states it goes farther and the party rules are enforceable by mandamus.

 

[DEGuy]

Private organizations still operate under contract with members (bylaws) and are accountable to courts for disputes, depending on their actual bylaws. In some states it goes farther and the party rules are enforceable by mandamus.

Gotcha, I understand (and I learned a new word - mandamus!)

 

[Barrex]

Good point. It was $20 a person to attend the county convention, then they got a pretty nice sum from the majoirty there Paul supporters, who they disenfranchised.

Of course under normal circumstances, a $20 dispute per person usually isn't going to make a suit worth it for either sides, but these aren't exactly normal circumstances. You'd like to think the juries will take this far more seriously than a normal consumer class action suit, since tihs has to do with disenfranchisement (which even if not illegal per law certainly falls under torts like misrepresentation, false advertising and the like).

If this group isn't already working with the Athens Clark County folks, shoot me a PM, because I know they're pursuing the same thing with aid of the campaign and GA4Paul, and have video evidence as well of clear wrongdoing.

How would have known that law-school is good for anything...lol

It is not matter of amount. I was just pointing that people need to prove that they are "real party in interest" (that they have stake at matter)
Ground for suit in law:
discrimination,financial loss, time lost, fraud, pain and suffering etc.

Calculate every cent that was spent in campaigning for Ron Paul, every minute, every resource invested by any Ron Paul supporter or official campaign and you would get real value of that lawsuit and damage done + pain and suffering

What I am looking forward is that court will force them to show all papers and all evidence and all people who are involved. That is why I was really really really really really really hoping this will happen in Maine too and was little sad when it was forgotten like nothing happened . Everything would be brought to the light and be made public.... It is still not too late to file a lawsuit.

 

[rpwi]

Since the GOP is a private organization and the primary is a private function, what do you hope to accomplish with a lawyer?

This I don't understand. Say a Paul supporter broke GOP rules to change the election results for Ron...if caught...some how, some way, I know this individual would end up facing serious charges.

It seems the Republican party is an odd private/public hybrid (kind of like the Fed). They appear to be public (like getting tax payer funded elections) when convenient and private when it suits their interest (especially when it concerns making up whatever rules they want).

 

[jblosser]

Political parties are one outworking of the First Amendment right of the people to assemble and petition government for redress of grievances. As such, they cannot be regulated by the government with respect to how they organize, who they nominate, etc. In that respect they are private. But since they are so tied to the election process itself, the state has a limited window of compelling interest for things like basic equal access to participate, enforcement of bylaws that stand in place of state law (because they trump state law), etc.

 

[nobody's_hero]

How would have known that law-school is good for anything...lol.

lol. It's not so much the law degree itself as much as it's about how you use it. We need more liberty lawyers. (problem is it don't pay as much as being a tyranny lawyer)

 

[PolicyReader]

How would have known that law-school is good for anything...lol

It is not matter of amount. I was just pointing that people need to prove that they are "real party in interest" (that they have stake at matter)
Ground for suit in law:
discrimination,financial loss, time lost, fraud, pain and suffering etc.

Calculate every cent that was spent in campaigning for Ron Paul, every minute, every resource invested by any Ron Paul supporter or official campaign and you would get real value of that lawsuit and damage done + pain and suffering

What I am looking forward is that court will force them to show all papers and all evidence and all people who are involved. That is why I was really really really really really really hoping this will happen in Maine too and was little sad when it was forgotten like nothing happened . Everything would be brought to the light and be made public.... It is still not too late to file a lawsuit.

I really hope this gets some traction, correct me if I'm wrong here but wouldn't a ruling in on favorable grounds establish a precedence that could be used in other cases? (or at least other cases with the same state?) It would be nice to start making it clear that these shady practices are unacceptable, and even better to get them overturned if possible

 

[Barrex]

I really hope this gets some traction, correct me if I'm wrong here but wouldn't a ruling in on favorable grounds establish a precedence that could be used in other cases? (or at least other cases with the same state?) It would be nice to start making it clear that these shady practices are unacceptable, and even better to get them overturned if possible

It goes both ways but at this time it wouldnt be my main goal. There are persuasive and binding (mandatory) precedents but it goes too far in legal terms to explain all finesses (if needed we could have lengthly chat to explain it because it would take too much space on this thread. )...

My point of view was : I was strong advocate of "Maine legal action". It provided best opportunity to win lawsuit. You (official campaign, you personally, grassroots, plaintiff...) dont need to prove fraud. You just need to prove that their (GOP) actions caused damage (their "incompetence" would be impossible to deny if proving fraud failed) to you and in Maine that would be easy task.

I hoped that "Maine lawsuit" will reveal all relevant information and all persons involved. That would be biggest victory and biggest gain for campaign. Official campaign will have little or no use in years long trials. Court would order them (GOP) to give us all relevant evidence and all name of people involved right now. We would have black on white:
-PRECINTS THAT RON PAUL WON WERE REPORTED AS ZERO;
-ROMNEY SUPPORTER CANCELED CAUCUSES TO FAVOR ROMNEY;
-RON PAUL DELEGATES IN PORTLAND WERE "KICKED OUT";
-FACTS,FACTS,FACTS....DOCUMENTED FACTS AND NOT UNDOCUMENTED STORIES.
...all we have now is he said she said... which is not worth anything. We would have some solid evidence that Ron Paul could officially use. To say loud they did this and this. We would have something concrete to send to all radio, TV, blogs etc. This would be huge victory for our cause. We could scream and claim MAINE FRAUD or MAINE CORRUPTION at least...At this point we got nothing.


Bottom line: organization, organization,organization.... and you guessed it organization is what we lack. I see this flaw all over the place. I started few threads to rectify this but no one was interested. I am not US citizen so I didnt feel right bumping my own threads and insisting that something is done about this because some could say it is "none of your business" and me being too pushy etc.

P.s.
Keep in mind that I am from Croatia and we got different legal systems but legal principles are still the same. My English is not perfect as you probably noticed so I am "struggling" to translate all legal terms and anything else to English.

 

[PolicyReader]

It goes both ways but at this time it wouldnt be my main goal. There are persuasive and binding (mandatory) precedents but it goes too far in legal terms to explain all finesses (if needed we could have lengthly chat to explain it because it would take too much space on this thread. )...

My point of view was : I was strong advocate of "Maine legal action". It provided best opportunity to win lawsuit. You (official campaign, you personally, grassroots, plaintiff...) dont need to prove fraud. You just need to prove that their (GOP) actions caused damage (their "incompetence" would be impossible to deny if proving fraud failed) to you and in Maine that would be easy task.

I hoped that "Maine lawsuit" will reveal all relevant information and all persons involved. That would be biggest victory and biggest gain for campaign. Official campaign will have little or no use in years long trials. Court would order them (GOP) to give us all relevant evidence and all name of people involved right now. We would have black on white:
-PRECINTS THAT RON PAUL WON WERE REPORTED AS ZERO;
-ROMNEY SUPPORTER CANCELED CAUCUSES TO FAVOR ROMNEY;
-RON PAUL DELEGATES IN PORTLAND WERE "KICKED OUT";
-FACTS,FACTS,FACTS....DOCUMENTED FACTS AND NOT UNDOCUMENTED STORIES.
...all we have now is he said she said... which is not worth anything. We would have some solid evidence that Ron Paul could officially use. To say loud they did this and this. We would have something concrete to send to all radio, TV, blogs etc. This would be huge victory for our cause. We could scream and claim MAINE FRAUD or MAINE CORRUPTION at least...At this point we got nothing.


Bottom line: organization, organization,organization.... and you guessed it organization is what we lack. I see this flaw all over the place. I started few threads to rectify this but no one was interested. I am not US citizen so I didnt feel right bumping my own threads and insisting that something is done about this because some could say it is "none of your business" and me being too pushy etc.

P.s.
Keep in mind that I am from Croatia and we got different legal systems but legal principles are still the same. My English is not perfect as you probably noticed so I am "struggling" to translate all legal terms and anything else to English.

This goes along with my understanding of the legal system here as well. I have have relations and friends who practice law but I myself am no lawyer so I always try to double check when I think I know how something works

 

[Barrex]

Is anything done about this?

 

[Dogsoldier]

I thought I read that they did fight it and won and Paul got all the delegates.Am I wrong?I could have swore I read about this.

 

[eleganz]

I'm going to try to get the right eyes on this thread

 

[PolicyReader]

I'm going to try to get the right eyes on this thread

+rep