Largest MO Caucus Adjourns WITHOUT Conducting Business – No Delegates Selected

[helmuth_hubener]

So do we have enough footage now that someone could compile an awesome video?

Please?

 

[sailingaway]

So do we have enough footage now that someone could compile an awesome video?

Please?

Stokes just upped the ante in his embarrassment alleging that Paul folks 'were getting physical' with multiple people surrounding him. I have to assume he has no clue we have so much video. We need to isolate him in the video prior to the police closing down the event.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Nice! I don't think this guy is too bright.

 

[LostNFoundNTx]

Good idea. My understanding:

1. Chair is ignoring points of order or otherwise breaking the rules.
2. The rule-breaking is obviously intentional, and he's ignoring everyone. Everyone is getting very angry and screaming. Chaos is breaking out. The important thing in all this is: everyone (or most everyone) can see the outrageousness and injustice of what's happening. Because you wouldn't want to do the following unless you have a majority that will back you up.
3. Lead RP person or people (few!) take out their concealed bullhorns and ask everyone to please be silent.
4. People actually get quiet. If this happens, as LostNFoundNTx said, it's pretty unlikely that the cops will arrest the lead person/people, since they are improving the situation in the cops' minds, achieving the order and calm the out-of-control chair was supposedly trying to get.
5. One lead RP person now stands in a prominent place (ideally right up close to the podium and the chair) and asks the chair to recognize a non-dilatory point of order 3 times (non-dilatory means relevant and not just a delaying-tactic. For instance, calling for division would've been good in the case of St. Charles)
6. The chair ignores these valid points of order, and let's say he even demands: "Cops, arrest that man!"
7. You've now got to do the following very quickly if the the cops are now closing in:
8. The one lead RP person declares the chair to be vacant.
9. He nominates himself for temp chair. Or, actually a lot better if the cops are looking like they might arrest him would be to nominate someone else. This would ideally all be planned in advance. "I nominate Joe Smith." The cops have no idea who this Joe Smith is, or where he is, and besides he's protected himself by barricading himself behind a crowd of RP supporters who won't let the cops through quickly (in the case of St. Charles, he'd be way up at the top of the bleachers).
10. Someone seconds.
11. All in favor, aye. All opposed, nay. Hopefully the ayes have it very resoundingly so no count is needed, because speed is of the essence!
12. A RP person is now the temp chair. In worst case scenario the Lead Person who declared the chair vacant and made the nomination is now being dragged out and beaten Rodney King-style, but the new chair is safe for long enough he can begin conducting business.
13. He pulls out his own bullhorn (all God's children got bullhorns ) and begins doing so.

This would cover many of the extra-crazy situations we've witnessed. The only thing I'd add is making sure people understand that not just anyone can pull off step #8 - it'll need to be someone fluent in the rules concerning, in particular, removal of a chair for the remainder of a session. The crowd of delegates just needs to be able to stay quiet for the period of time while those final steps are passed.

 

[Athan]

I forget which Texas county it was last time, but the GOP pulled the "Deaf Chair" routine there and it ended up in chaos. I'll be very curious to see how you handle your county this time. Because as anyone knows who's been through this type of thing, it's very easy to calmly and rationally critique the event after the fact. But it's incredibly difficult to control it while it's happening. Maybe you could collect these tales and make a short tutorial on how things should be handled for mass distribution to our people. That might lead to more calm and better results. But you need to do it pretty quickly or it will be much too late to do any good. If we're waiting for Texas to have conventions to implement any strategy, the election may well be over by then.

It was Nueces County. (Corpus Christi)
There was outright fraud just like what happened in MO in the County convention.