Kristi Noem is a dog (and goat) killer

It's not illegal in most states to put down a pet or livestock with a gun. It's been a long time for me since I have been around all that, but I did live on a farm as a young kid. I understand these things have to happen sometimes. Dangerous livestock sometimes has to be put down. We had hunting dogs and they aren't pets once they are trained. They aren't kept indoors and if they can't be used for hunting, they are just costing you money to feed them. Maybe somebody else would want the dog, but if it's killing chickens, it's probably too aggressive to be a pet.

That said, I can't imagine why she said the quiet part out loud. Those are things you just do and never mention again.
 
It's not illegal in most states to put down a pet or livestock with a gun. It's been a long time for me since I have been around all that, but I did live on a farm as a young kid. I understand these things have to happen sometimes. Dangerous livestock sometimes has to be put down. We had hunting dogs and they aren't pets once they are trained. They aren't kept indoors and if they can't be used for hunting, they are just costing you money to feed them. Maybe somebody else would want the dog, but if it's killing chickens, it's probably too aggressive to be a pet.

That said, I can't imagine why she said the quiet part out loud. Those are things you just do and never mention again.

Absolutely correct.

Mean dogs have to be put down or rehome them with a do-gooder who wants to play animal psychologist.

Billy goats are well known to be foul smelling and sometimes aggressive.

Which raises the question of why did she have one?

I suppose that it ceased to entertain her and she has a little or no capacity to respect sentient beings.

I'm sure that her qualities can be extrapolated out to people who get in her way.
 
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Kristi Noem is an adult brat

Admittedly, not into hunting culture, but…

If you’ve trained the dog to hunt pheasant, why would you be surprised when it goes after chickens too? Aren’t they both ground birds? She had just positively enforced the dog to hunt ground birds, then failed to secure the excited dog in her truck while she stopped to bullshit with a chicken-owning friend. Her own stupidity, but the big brat kills the dog for embarrassing her.

…and hunting pheasant? with a pack of dogs? What is she, a fucking duke?!
Does she wear a red jacket and jodhpurs for this? Yelling “Tally-ho”? I have noticed she does love playing dress up and let’s pretend, much like Justin Trudeau. Seen her wearing many “cute” outfits portraying her as a state trooper, plumber, other stuff - always perfectly tailored for her. What a priss! Was her former career being a beauty pageant contestant?

I’ll speculate that the male goat was likely there to sire some fun and adorable baby goats and once his job was done, it’s time to kill his inconvenient ass.

This woman is vile.
 
Admittedly, not into hunting culture, but…

If you’ve trained the dog to hunt pheasant, why would you be surprised when it goes after chickens too? Aren’t they both ground birds? She had just positively enforced the dog to hunt ground birds, then failed to secure the excited dog in her truck while she stopped to bull$#@! with a chicken-owning friend. Her own stupidity, but the big brat kills the dog for embarrassing her.

…and hunting pheasant? with a pack of dogs? What is she, a $#@!ing duke?!
Does she wear a red jacket and jodhpurs for this? Yelling “Tally-ho”? I have noticed she does love playing dress up and let’s pretend, much like Justin Trudeau. Seen her wearing many “cute” outfits portraying her as a state trooper, plumber, other stuff - always perfectly tailored for her. What a priss! Was her former career being a beauty pageant contestant?

I’ll speculate that the male goat was likely there to sire some fun and adorable baby goats and once his job was done, it’s time to kill his inconvenient ass.

This woman is vile.

A good hunting dog will not kill your livestock. The dog was a retriever, you only need one and it doesn't kill the birds. You shoot the bird and the dog gets the dead bird and brings it to you. You typically wear camo for that if it really matters.


Not everyone has been around rural life and these things can seem cruel to you but normal to a person who has, it's been a while for me. But what Noem described doing is normal behavior in that lifestyle.

I'm not defending her, I don't really know much about her.
 
A good hunting dog will not kill your livestock. The dog was a retriever, you only need one and it doesn't kill the birds. You shoot the bird and the dog gets the dead bird and brings it to you. You typically wear camo for that if it really matters.


Not everyone has been around rural life and these things can seem cruel to you but normal to a person who has, it's been a while for me. But what Noem described doing is normal behavior in that lifestyle.

I'm not defending her, I don't really know much about her.

Hard disagree. I'd point you to Susano's post, but I feel like throwing in my two cents, so here goes.

I've been rural my entire life and lived on and around farms the entire time and what you're describing is absolutely not normal. The only people I know who would do such a thing are the guys on the farm about a mile from where I am, and they've had the cops called on them multiple times for animal cruelty. I won't go into details, but they bought dogs specifically to kill their overbred, out-of-control populations among other things. Those are the people I know who would do this kind of thing.

Noem's dog clearly had a high prey drive, which means she had a few options:

1. Train the dog to control its prey drive and perform the job she wants it to do. It was only a year old, so still quite malleable.
2. Rehome the dog or give it to a rescue. A purebred pointer would've certainly been adoptable, even if only as a pet.
3. Keep at as a pet, not a hunting dog.
4. Blow its brains out and then kill off any other animals that annoy you.

Prey drives can be hard to control. I've had collies who, strangely, couldn't be trusted around my geese but were fine with my goats, for example. I also have a mini dachshund who, until very recently, couldn't be trusted around cats at all. I managed to not kill them, by the way.

The point is, if you really can't train them out of their drive, then what most people do is simply keep them as pets or rehome them as pets, letting the new owners know that the dog can't be trusted around smaller animals.

Instead, this what seems to be what happened with Noem:

1. Got a dog she didn't like.
2. Didn't train it.
3. Took it hunting, expecting that it would just do what the other dogs on the hunt would do, no training required.
4. It (unsurprisingly) didn't and got super excited around pheasants. Prey drive activated!
5. Noem stopped to chat with a friend and the dog got out of the truck, somehow. Was the window rolled down? Was she keeping it in the truck bed? Did she let it out because she's a moron? Anyway, not differentiating between chickens and pheasants (untrained again), it went on a killing spree.
6. Noem startled it by trying to grab it and it "turned to bite" her, but obviously didn't.
7. Noem's out for blood and kills the dog. Her own prey drive is now activated.
8. Decides she hates her uncastrated goat because it smells like hormonal male goat and does goat things, which happens to ruin her kids' clothes.
9. Shoots it.
10. Brag about it in a book.

This is the ten-step plan no one should follow. Even people who have shot strays coming around their livestock feel really bad about it and don't go around talking about it like it makes them alphas. Cricket could've easily gone to a new home, especially as a purebred. She could've also made a great pet, and clearly her children loved the dog.
 
A good hunting dog will not kill your livestock. The dog was a retriever, you only need one and it doesn't kill the birds. You shoot the bird and the dog gets the dead bird and brings it to you. You typically wear camo for that if it really matters.
That sounds reasonable for an actual hunter and it's how I’ve always seen it depicted on the screen and in books - but - the story says she took the dog on a hunt so it could learn from the other dogs. Instead it acted nuts and ruined the whole hunt, spoiling her fun. Does not sound like she took the dog's training very seriously. I suppose training an animal is less fun than shooting them.

I think she's a poser and a show-off. If Trump picked her as his VP she’d be worse than Pence - if that is even possible! - and it would make me seriously doubt Trump’s ability to ever be even a half-way decent president.
"When I was growing up, my dad would always gather our family together and we would pray for Israel."

Ensuring the Security of God’s Chosen People
By: Governor Kristi Noem
https://news.sd.gov/news?id=news_kb_article_view&sys_id=a2e998061b70c610b3b10d46624bcbd5
March 8, 2024
She’s part of a cult, too. This is crazy talk.

1. Got a dog she didn't like.
2. Didn't train it.
3. Took it hunting, expecting that it would just do what the other dogs on the hunt would do, no training required.
4. It (unsurprisingly) didn't and got super excited around pheasants. Prey drive activated!
5. Noem stopped to chat with a friend and the dog got out of the truck, somehow. Was the window rolled down? Was she keeping it in the truck bed? Did she let it out because she's a moron? Anyway, not differentiating between chickens and pheasants (untrained again), it went on a killing spree.
6. Noem startled it by trying to grab it and it "turned to bite" her, but obviously didn't.
7. Noem's out for blood and kills the dog. Her own prey drive is now activated.
8. Decides she hates her uncastrated goat because it smells like hormonal male goat and does goat things, which happens to ruin her kids' clothes.
9. Shoots it.
10. Brag about it in a book.
This sounds accurate. My dog bit me once (not badly) - it was a case of displaced aggression and I wouldn't have dreamed of killing him for it (RIP - He lived to a ripe old age and was put to sleep at the vet's office). In the original Guardian story, it is implied that she spoke about this because she believes it proves she can ‘do anything “difficult, messy and ugly” if it simply needs to be done’... as if this is a great leadership quality.
 
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Not everyone has been around rural life and these things can seem cruel to you but normal to a person who has, it's been a while for me. But what Noem described doing is normal behavior in that lifestyle.

It's been a half century since I've lived in "farm country", but I do remember it. Same resolution handed out to egg-sucking hounds, because once they've had a taste they're always going to go back and do it again. I even knew of a horse that was put down that way.



I can't recall the last time I saw Hud aired. Cosby had a routine on it (but we're not allowed to mention Cosby any longer). Both of those are from a different time back in the sixties.
 
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Hard disagree. I'd point you to Susano's post, but I feel like throwing in my two cents, so here goes.

I've been rural my entire life and lived on and around farms the entire time and what you're describing is absolutely not normal. The only people I know who would do such a thing are the guys on the farm about a mile from where I am, and they've had the cops called on them multiple times for animal cruelty. I won't go into details, but they bought dogs specifically to kill their overbred, out-of-control populations among other things. Those are the people I know who would do this kind of thing.

Noem's dog clearly had a high prey drive, which means she had a few options:

1. Train the dog to control its prey drive and perform the job she wants it to do. It was only a year old, so still quite malleable.
2. Rehome the dog or give it to a rescue. A purebred pointer would've certainly been adoptable, even if only as a pet.
3. Keep at as a pet, not a hunting dog.
4. Blow its brains out and then kill off any other animals that annoy you.

Prey drives can be hard to control. I've had collies who, strangely, couldn't be trusted around my geese but were fine with my goats, for example. I also have a mini dachshund who, until very recently, couldn't be trusted around cats at all. I managed to not kill them, by the way.

The point is, if you really can't train them out of their drive, then what most people do is simply keep them as pets or rehome them as pets, letting the new owners know that the dog can't be trusted around smaller animals.

Instead, this what seems to be what happened with Noem:

1. Got a dog she didn't like.
2. Didn't train it.
3. Took it hunting, expecting that it would just do what the other dogs on the hunt would do, no training required.
4. It (unsurprisingly) didn't and got super excited around pheasants. Prey drive activated!
5. Noem stopped to chat with a friend and the dog got out of the truck, somehow. Was the window rolled down? Was she keeping it in the truck bed? Did she let it out because she's a moron? Anyway, not differentiating between chickens and pheasants (untrained again), it went on a killing spree.
6. Noem startled it by trying to grab it and it "turned to bite" her, but obviously didn't.
7. Noem's out for blood and kills the dog. Her own prey drive is now activated.
8. Decides she hates her uncastrated goat because it smells like hormonal male goat and does goat things, which happens to ruin her kids' clothes.
9. Shoots it.
10. Brag about it in a book.

This is the ten-step plan no one should follow. Even people who have shot strays coming around their livestock feel really bad about it and don't go around talking about it like it makes them alphas. Cricket could've easily gone to a new home, especially as a purebred. She could've also made a great pet, and clearly her children loved the dog.

I'm a vegetarian, animal rights supporter and don't feel at home on this planet because of it. The way some farmers and, especially ranchers, treat animals, imo, is sociopathic. Then they put their kids in 4H where they raise and care for an animal and then murder their empathy when that animal gets auctioned for slaughter because "that's just how life is". Fuck that shit. I feel the same about researchers who experiment on animals. AFAIC, the world would be far better off with everyone of these fuckers fed to sharks.
 
I had to look up dispensationalism. Yuck.

Although dispensationalism is best known for its eschatological doctrines, at its heart is the distinction between Israel and the church. Every other distinctively dispensationalist doctrine rests on this idea. What this distinction means for dispensationalists is that there are two peoples of God. Israel is one of these and consists of the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The church is the other, and it consists of all those and only those (whether Jew or gentile) who are saved between the Day of Pentecost and the rapture. Part of the reason for the pre-tribulation rapture is to remove the church from earth so that God can begin dealing with national Israel again.

https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/dispensationalism

Is this what Hagee is?

She comes from hearty Zionist stock.

"When I was growing up, my dad would always gather our family together and we would pray for Israel."
...

It's actually an interesting subject.

More on dispensationalism:

Dispensationalists use a literal interpretation of the Bible and believe that divine revelation unfolds throughout the Bible. They believe that there is a distinction between Israel and the Church, and that Christians are not bound by Mosaic law. They maintain beliefs in premillennialism, Christian Zionism, and a rapture of the Church that will happen before the Second Coming of Christ, generally seen as happening before a period of tribulation.
...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism

My loose definition of those who follow dispensationalism includes many people who don't even know what it is. Similar to how many Marxists of today have no clue that they are implementing Marxist ideology, techniques and tactics.

The sentence quoted and bolded above summarizes it pretty well. It is Christianity that was introduced to rapture and end times teachings. Probably not coincidently, Zionism was introduced and evolved together with dispensationalism. Both originated in the 1800s. First there were the "Christians" like John Nelson Darby who initiated the dispensationalist movements, and many waves of subsequent teachers of the philosophy such as Hal Lindsey. At nearly the same time, Jewish intellectuals in Ukraine decided that Zionism (return to ancient Israel) was possible, and proto-Zionism originated.

The rest, as they say, is history.

Thus today, you have Christians like Noem who have been taught that Zionism and focus on Israel is part of their "Christian" religion, and part of their duty. It makes it pretty easy for Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell to get whatever they want, as long as they offer the Israel funding carrot to Noem or Mike Johnson.
 
[MENTION=1874]Brian4Liberty[/MENTION] 100% right, ignorance preys on the proud.

The Zionist Christian phenomenon is exclusive to the American South and Midwest, and small groups of Scots.
Churches who know their history like Catholics and Anglicans and even Lutherans did not fall prey.

It would eventually replace the Congregationalism of the 1800s. All the Revivals and Soul-Winnings...

It was the beginning of the end of true American independence. High finance and all that...
 
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I had to look up dispensationalism. Yuck.

Although dispensationalism is best known for its eschatological doctrines, at its heart is the distinction between Israel and the church. Every other distinctively dispensationalist doctrine rests on this idea. What this distinction means for dispensationalists is that there are two peoples of God. Israel is one of these and consists of the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The church is the other, and it consists of all those and only those (whether Jew or gentile) who are saved between the Day of Pentecost and the rapture. Part of the reason for the pre-tribulation rapture is to remove the church from earth so that God can begin dealing with national Israel again.

https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/dispensationalism

Is this what Hagee is?

[MENTION=1874]Brian4Liberty[/MENTION] 100% right, ignorance preys on the proud.

The Zionist Christian phenomenon is exclusive to the American South and Midwest.
Churches who know their history like Catholics and Anglicans and even Lutherans did not fall prey.

Unfortunately, even members of those older churches fell prey. It's probably a very small percentage of any given religion that have an in depth knowledge of their own religion, let alone their specific denomination.
 
It's actually an interesting subject.

More on dispensationalism:



My loose definition of those who follow dispensationalism includes many people who don't even know what it is. Similar to how many Marxists of today have no clue that they are implementing Marxist ideology, techniques and tactics.

The sentence quoted and bolded above summarizes it pretty well. It is Christianity that was introduced to rapture and end times teachings. Probably not coincidently, Zionism was introduced and evolved together with dispensationalism. Both originated in the 1800s. First there were the "Christians" like John Nelson Darby who initiated the dispensationalist movements, and many waves of subsequent teachers of the philosophy such as Hal Lindsey. At nearly the same time, Jewish intellectuals in Ukraine decided that Zionism (return to ancient Israel) was possible, and proto-Zionism originated.

The rest, as they say, is history.

Thus today, you have Christians like Noem who have been taught that Zionism and focus on Israel is part of their "Christian" religion, and part of their duty. It makes it pretty easy for Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell to get whatever they want, as long as they offer the Israel funding carrot to Noem or Mike Johnson.

I totally agree with your take on rapture types and useful idiot leftists being clueless about what it is they're advocating and following. I was familiar with the Scofield bible thing and how "Christian" Zionism came to be and didn't realize it went by this name, Dispensationalism. What is actually is British Israel and the British Baptists, from Oxford University, funded the Scofield bible and the guy who went around promoting it.

British Israel: The Hidden Hand Behind the
'The Kingdom of God on Earth' Deception


British Israel Uses Christian Fundamentalist Evangelicals to Promote the "Kingdom of God on Earth' Scheme to Deliver Up A One World Society-Both Feudal and Fascist

"British Israel" is a term used by the anonymous author of a brilliantly written 1970 book titled The Union Jack, to describe the manipulative efforts of elite British oligarchs (on behalf of the Rothchilds) to create a one world feudal society-controlled by British oligarchs of course-by first creating the state of Israel (via the British inspired 1917 Balfour Declaration), and then using Christian fundamentalist propagandists to promote the idea that Christ will physically return to Earth and will rule a "Kingdom of God on Earth' for a thousand years (the 'Millennium') from His earthly throne in....you guessed it... Jerusalem!

The only problem is, that after million upon millions of deceived Christian fundamentalists passively give up their constitutional liberties, their country's sovereignty, and their freedom in the mistaken belief that the Apocalypse, Armageddon and End Times scenario is an inevitable 'prophecy' from God that must take place before we can be delivered into the Happy world of the New Millennium, they will finally discover that they've been delivered into a satanic, feudal slave society that will no longer tolerate any talk of Christ or Christianity- assuming they are still alive to enjoy the 'Kingdom of God on Earth'.

The frontline promoters and propagandists of the 'Kingdom of God on Earth' scenario include all the well known TV evangelical personalities like British Israel promoter John Hagee, Benny Hinn, Jack Van Impe, Paul & Jan Crouch of the Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN), Jesse Duplantis, Kenneth Copeland, Pat Robertson, Billy Graham, Robert Shuller, Jerry Falwell,, Rod Parsley, Fred Price, Kim Clement,and Kenneth Hagin among others, but their ranks are also swollen with lesser known evangelical, pro-Israel (Ziionist) promoters who show up on UHF, cable TV, and radio stations every Sunday morning to pitch the soon-to-be-realized Great Tribulation and End Times "prophecies". A large percentage of these televangelist employ shouting, flamboyant movements, repeated phrases, and various histrionics to pump up the emotions of the audience in order to achieve a very specific technique of brainwashing called 'conversion'.

https://educate-yourself.org/cn/britishisraelhiddenhand10jul05.shtml
 
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