Kokesh on Atheism + Libertarians

AquaBuddha2010 said:
"Atheism is the default position" sounds to me like a positive assertion. The assertion would need to be proven first.
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No. Here's the line of reasoning.

Given: All humans are born with x belief,

Definition: All humans means every being of the homo-sapiens species,

If all humans are born with x belief
then even humans who were born before X belief came to exist, are born with x belief.

If judeo-christianity did not exist before 1AD,
And humans were born before 1AD,
then no human born before 1AD could have been born with Judeo-Christianity as their default belief.

If no human before 1AD could have been born with Judeo-Christianity as their default belief, then
All humans cannot be born with Judeo-Christianity as their "default" belief

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Insert any belief system for X belief.

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Elfshadow said:
yes but morality is relitive. Your idea of morality and my own is probably quite a bit different.
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Do you believe in self-ownership? Click on the link in my signature "The Philosophy of Liberty". That is morality.
 
Athena said:
I should have qualified that knowing isn't and can't be absolute. We can never really know anything for sure.
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That's the sophists...all knowledge is subjective. The solipsists say that, outside of oneself, nothing can be proven . Both points I agree with...to the extent that this should be taught in school. We can't advance as a society unless we are willing to challenge the status quo.
 
BrittanySligar said:
No. Here's the line of reasoning.

Given: All humans are born with x belief,
Given: all humans means every being of the homo-sapiens species,

If all humans are born with x belief
then even humans who were born before judeo-christianity came to be, are born with x belief.

If judeo-christianity did not exist before 1AD,
And humans were born before 1AD,
then no human born before 1AD could have been born with X belief.

If no human before 1AD could have been born with X belief as their default belief, then
All humans cannot be born with X belief as their "default" belief

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Insert any belief system for X belief.

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Can you find a time period in human history when there was not a belief in some form of creator or deitiy? I think the actual default posistion is one of want of knowing.
 
Elfshadow said:
No one can can ever know anything for sure, thus you can not know that we can never know anything for sure. You are tricksy.
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If you haven't experienced it yet, this is AquaBuddha's packaged Calvinist argument. Watch...St. Augustine comes into this soon....
 
Crotale said:
Do you believe in self-ownership? Click on the link in my signature "The Philosophy of Liberty". That is morality.
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Umm..... might wanna read the whole thread. :toady:

I have watched that before btw.
 
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I knew this befrigged thread would lead to a kerfuffle. Tried to warn y'all, but it seems like fundamentalist theists and fundamentalist atheists always crowd out us neutral folk. :D
 
bluesc said:
I like boobs.
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BuddyRey said:
I knew this befrigged thread would lead to a kerfuffle. Tried to warn y'all, but it seems like fundamentalist theists and fundamentalist atheists always crowd out us neutral folk. :D
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Just wondering which side of fundamentalist you think I fall on?
 
BrittanySligar said:
No. Here's the line of reasoning.

Given: All humans are born with x belief,

Definition: All humans means every being of the homo-sapiens species,

If all humans are born with x belief
then even humans who were born before X belief came to exist, are born with x belief.

If judeo-christianity did not exist before 1AD,
And humans were born before 1AD,
then no human born before 1AD could have been born with Judeo-Christianity as their default belief.

If no human before 1AD could have been born with Judeo-Christianity as their default belief, then
All humans cannot be born with Judeo-Christianity as their "default" belief

//


Insert any belief system for X belief.

//
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How do you know what happened in 1AD? Did you sense it or experience it? Did you perform an experiment on it which asserted the consequent?

What is 1? How did you come to know what "1" was? Did you sense the number 1 itself? Or did you sense the concept of "1"?

I mean...we've got to explore how you think you can have any knowledge at all. You have an entire system that you have just taken for granted here. We've got to dig in to your worldview to see if you can even non-fallacious argue for anything.
 
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Elfshadow said:
Can you find a time period in human history when there was not a belief in some form of creator or deitiy? I think the actual default posistion is one of want of knowing.
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Well, you could say that we are born seeking knowledge. If your premise was the case, and in every human culture always existed the belief in a deity, then at best your argument would be for non-specific deism.. but if every deity is different, i'm not sure this argument stands.
 
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