Kokesh Arrested

[amy31416]

Kind of like scientists and teachers.

Yes. Teachers and scientists are all like that, which is why you're paying thousands upon thousands to beg them for a degree after 4-8 years (I'll give you 8, because you're "special").

 

[TheTexan]

I understand what you are saying but there is no police force available to enforce only constitutional laws and protect people and their property who need it, and people who are driven by that have nowhere else to go, so I judge each person individually.

So, if a guy joins the force to save kitties, but ends up shooting innocent people, thats ok because all he wanted to do was save kitties?

 

[sailingaway]

So, if a guy joins the force to save kitties, but ends up shooting innocent people, thats ok because all he wanted to do was save kitties?

No, but it is his shooting innocent people not his being on the force that would be what was unacceptable.

 

[CPUd]

 

[WhistlinDave]

Did he have a permit for this? The audio was shit so I don't know what they said to him. It may have been that he was told to disperse and he refused. If that were the case, he would have been charged with trespassing as well as resisting. So who knows. There are a crap load of laws that anyone can be charged with depending on the cop... disturbing the peace, disorderly conduct....

Yeah, there's no free speech anymore without a permit. A permit means that you are allowed to do something that would ordinarily be illegal. It sounds like this may have been the case. He was probably told to disperse since he didn't have a permit to have a protest on public park land and was told to leave... didn't....

Oh, the irony of needing a permit in order to exercise one's freedom of speech...

 

[TheTexan]

No, but it is his shooting innocent people not his being on the force that would be what was unacceptable.

Aside from perhaps cops who direct traffic all day, all cops commit crimes against innocent people just in the course of their daily duties. Cops who dont, get fired. Its a criminal institution the very purpose of which is to commit crimes

Yes, every cop should still be judged as an individual. But I do believe you would have a VERY hard time finding an individual who has been a cop for any significant amount of time that didnt regularly harm innocent people.

 

[CPUd]

Did he have a permit for this? The audio was shit so I don't know what they said to him. It may have been that he was told to disperse and he refused. If that were the case, he would have been charged with trespassing as well as resisting. So who knows. There are a crap load of laws that anyone can be charged with depending on the cop... disturbing the peace, disorderly conduct....

Yeah, there's no free speech anymore without a permit. A permit means that you are allowed to do something that would ordinarily be illegal. It sounds like this may have been the case. He was probably told to disperse since he didn't have a permit to have a protest on public park land and was told to leave... didn't....

So far, it doesn't look like they say anything to him before they grabbed him. The cops did know what was happening there beforehand, because it is not the first one of these events. Adam and the other guy with the mic was saying fuck the law and smoke it anyway. Then they count down from 10 and all light at the same time. That's when the cops moved on him.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I'll put this here.

''It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace — but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!''

Patrick Henry...the 'inciter'

Patrick Henry was doing far more than inciting people to get high and becoming pretty worthless to get anything done.

 

[WhistlinDave]

So far, it doesn't look like they say anything to him before they grabbed him. The cops did know what was happening there beforehand, because it is not the first one of these events. Adam and the other guy with the mic was saying fuck the law and smoke it anyway. Then they count down from 10 and all light at the same time. That's when the cops moved on him.

Ah, so the initial charge must be conspiracy to incite being accessory to association with organized collusion to set fire to plant material in a Federal park without a fire permit.

 

[JK/SEA]

Patrick Henry was doing far more than inciting people to get high and becoming pretty worthless to get anything done.

some people smell the fire before seeing it.

 

[Barrex]

Ah, so the initial charge must be conspiracy to incite being accessory to association with organized collusion to set fire to plant material in a Federal park without a fire permit.

But he wasnt counting down or saying people to light it up. I dont think that he said much at all before they grabbed him.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I understand what you are saying but there is no police force available to enforce only constitutional laws and protect people and their property who need it, and people who are driven by that have nowhere else to go, so I judge each person individually.

That is preposterous. Why can't they simply be good citizens? Why is a good man forced to be part of a tyrannical state in order to exercise their version of morality? Nobody HAS to be part of a police force, and if the only police force "available" for them is one that enforces tyrannical laws and upholds the police state, then it would be more appropriate for him to simply abstain from joining the police force and trying the best man he can be on his own. You don't need the police in order to be a good person, and you don't need to join an army of thugs in order to feel like you're helping society. Who knows the kind of debauchery this once-good man might be forced to commit all in the name of following orders so he can keep his job? Illegal raids? Roadside searches and drug arrests? Any good man would not willingly associate with such evil just because he thinks police can theoretically be a good thing in a minarchist society, which is debatable.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I can speak for my state's laws, but an officer doesn't have to enforce any law in this state.
they have something called 'officer's discretion'

You sure about that? What if an officer were to stop a senseless beating by another officer? We've had officers who have done just that and have been fired because of it. What, for instance, do you suppose would happen to this cop if they were not generating enough revenue for the state through drug money or failing to reach their speeding ticket quotas?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Yes. Teachers and scientists are all like that, which is why you're paying thousands upon thousands to beg them for a degree after 4-8 years (I'll give you 8, because you're "special").

What's your point? Who said I was paying anything to anyone to beg for anything? Why the personal attacks?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

No, but it is his shooting innocent people not his being on the force that would be what was unacceptable.

Do you doubt that this same man would likely go without charges if he were to shoot innocent people? No good man takes a position that is so inherently abusive that it allows criminals to go free because they are part of the organization. No good man needs to be part of an evil organization in order to exercise good.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Patrick Henry was doing far more than inciting people to get high and becoming pretty worthless to get anything done.

Is that what civil disobedience is to you? Does getting high automatically make someone "worthless"?

 

[TheTexan]

You sure about that? What if an officer were to stop a senseless beating by another officer? We've had officers who have done just that and have been fired because of it? What, for instance, do you suppose would happen to this cop if they were not generating enough revenue for the state through drug money or failing to reach their speeding ticket quotas?

Exactly, even if there is a written policy of officer discretion, the reality of that policy is much different. Either enforce the law as your department sees fit, or you're out.

 

[green73]

Patrick Henry was doing far more than inciting people to get high and becoming pretty worthless to get anything done.

You are such a brilliant thinker. That's why I love you.

 

[AFPVet]

Ah, so the initial charge must be conspiracy to incite being accessory to association with organized collusion to set fire to plant material in a Federal park without a fire permit.

Sounds about right to me lol... our society is so screwed

 

[amy31416]

What's your point? Who said I was paying anything to anyone to beg for anything? Why the personal attacks?

You say some really dumb and hypocritical things sometimes. I won't waste my time explaining unless you respond with something equally ridiculous--maybe.