Did you know? David Koch was a Libertarian Vice-Presidential candidate in 1980
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...bertarian-Vice-Presidential-candidate-in-1980
Koch Brothers sue Cato Institute President 03/1/2012
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Did you know? David Koch was a Libertarian Vice-Presidential candidate in 1980
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...bertarian-Vice-Presidential-candidate-in-1980
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Did you know? David Koch was a Libertarian Vice-Presidential candidate in 1980
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...bertarian-Vice-Presidential-candidate-in-1980
Then why isn't he donating some money to the campaign of a former LP candidate?
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To begin with, it's no surprise the OP discusses Koch Brothers and Lawyers. That's one common thread I've noticed over 20 years of dealing with them.
I fell for their Market Based Economy pitch in college and got my first engineering job working for them. You can read that book, and then trust their middle managers to do the opposite. Most political company I've ever seen from the inside. I refer to them as The Capitalist Workers' Paradise.
Now as a vendor, I place them right up with General Electric as the two most difficult companies to deal with. (I have about 400 clients and decent prospect companies.) I've given Koch so much free stuff that I'm done with them and they know it. They'll get a new-hire, young engineer and ask them to call every now and then saying if we give them this solution or that, they will buy some of my stuff. I feel like Linus who has run at the football and had Lucy pull it away too many times. Except, unlike Linus, I tell them "buy some stuff first and then we'll talk solutions to your problems". That always ends the discussion until some new engineer comes along. No more wasting time on them.
I remember a high percentage of college guys who idolized Ayn Rand liked her because she gave them an excuse for treating other people badly. Mainly rationalizes these guys' treating college girls badly. Anyway, Koch Industries reminds me of that company who read Ayn Rand and only took from it "Hey, I can do whatever I want no matter whether other people suffer, because that's the most efficient way". They forgot the Golden Rule that Ron Paul remembered. Free societies always have difficulties with these types.
When they are Libertarian, they are only that way until it benefits them more to be some other way. They have much more in common with Romney than Paul. I believe that if sending your kids to war gives them an ROI > 10%, then Koch will try to send your kids to war.
Their money is not worth it.
I fell for their Market Based Economy pitch in college and got my first engineering job working for them. You can read that book, and then trust their middle managers to do the opposite. Most political company I've ever seen from the inside. I refer to them as The Capitalist Workers' Paradise.
Now as a vendor, I place them right up with General Electric as the two most difficult companies to deal with. (I have about 400 clients and decent prospect companies.) I've given Koch so much free stuff that I'm done with them and they know it. They'll get a new-hire, young engineer and ask them to call every now and then saying if we give them this solution or that, they will buy some of my stuff. I feel like Linus who has run at the football and had Lucy pull it away too many times. Except, unlike Linus, I tell them "buy some stuff first and then we'll talk solutions to your problems". That always ends the discussion until some new engineer comes along. No more wasting time on them.
I remember a high percentage of college guys who idolized Ayn Rand liked her because she gave them an excuse for treating other people badly. Mainly rationalizes these guys' treating college girls badly. Anyway, Koch Industries reminds me of that company who read Ayn Rand and only took from it "Hey, I can do whatever I want no matter whether other people suffer, because that's the most efficient way". They forgot the Golden Rule that Ron Paul remembered. Free societies always have difficulties with these types.
When they are Libertarian, they are only that way until it benefits them more to be some other way. They have much more in common with Romney than Paul. I believe that if sending your kids to war gives them an ROI > 10%, then Koch will try to send your kids to war.
Their money is not worth it.
I agree to a certain extent that their bogeymen, but they're also bogeymen for a reason. We have a lot to thank them for but I can't see a Cato buyout as being anything but disastrous (unless the Cato thinkers all go to Mises or somewhere else... hm...).
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They’re pro-Fed pro-war “Libertarians”.
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Koch boys are bad news. Don't let them infiltrate. If you do then your revolution is history. They are why 9/12ers were allowed to rise up from the TEA PARTY...which started out on the right concept, and then hijacked it for the neocons. Bad energy...
One more thing since this makes me think of it. Not everyone here is a libertarian, are they? I get the feeling that there are many "Patriots" that actually are 9/12ers and not necessarily libertarian at heart. Am I wrong about that? Is that a bad assessment? Do tell....
One more thing since this makes me think of it. Not everyone here is a libertarian, are they? I get the feeling that there are many "Patriots" that actually are 9/12ers and not necessarily libertarian at heart. Am I wrong about that? Is that a bad assessment? Do tell....
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