Kate Steinle Verdict - Not Guilty

[r3volution 3.0]

I'm just thankful that the former host of a reality TV show is there to keep us safe.

But for Him, we'd clearly all be murdered by Mexicans.

Clearly

 

[timosman]

I'm just thankful that the former host of a reality TV show is there to keep us safe.

But for Him, we'd clearly all be murdered by Mexicans.

Clearly

Now you started moving goal posts like the most respected poster on this forum.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Now you started moving goal posts like the most respected poster on this forum.

I just don't know what I'd do if you didn't share more of your insights.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Do you have evidence to the contrary?

Do you have any evidence that Iraqi soldiers didn't throw premature babies on the floor and take their incubators?

https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/10/2...s-gun-was-stolen-and-used-in-steinle-killing/

The gun was stolen about ten days before the incident.

Captain Obvious strikes again. So tell us why the weapon ended up dropped on the ground wrapped in a t-shirt by a group of mysterious persons right before this poor fool stepped on the gun making it fire and kill this girl?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

So, to be clear, the denizens of RPF want government to assert its powers, go after the illegals, because poster boy Jose killed a pretty white girl in the land of fruits and nuts. Of course government thus empowered would never go after them and we dont stand a chance of getting a libertarian country as long as the socialists from the south infect this bastion of freedom.

Sorry folks, but we have bigger problems than Jose.

What are you talking about?

 

[Weston White]

I'm just thankful that the former host of a reality TV show is there to keep us safe.

But for Him, we'd clearly all be murdered by Mexicans.

Clearly

(2015)

Last week, the Mexican government released new data showing that between 2007 and 2014 — a period that accounts for some of the bloodiest years of the nation’s war against the drug cartels — more than 164,000 people were victims of homicide. Nearly 20,000 died last year alone, a substantial number, but still a decrease from the 27,000 killed at the peak of fighting in 2011.

Over the same seven-year period, slightly more than 103,000 died in Afghanistan and Iraq, according to data from the United Nations and the website Iraq Body Count.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/the-staggering-death-toll-of-mexicos-drug-war/

 

[Danke]

What are you talking about?

I think his bf is an illegal.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

If the pier wasn't there, it would not have happened since nobody would be there (unless they were in the water). If Stenle wasn't there the accident would not have happened. If the group of people seen on video at the location believed to have left the gun behind didn't leave it, it would not have happened. If the BLM agent hadn't left a loaded weapon in his vehicle and had it stolen, this would not have happened (he was not reprimanded but was instead promoted later in the year). If he had left a gun lock on his gun (as required), it could not have been fired. Nobody has been charged with the theft of the gun. Lots of "if not".

Here's the thing - none of those people were holding the fucking gun when it discharged and the issuing bullet went through Kate Steinle's brain.

Ya know, I have tended to hold that you've gotten a bad rap around here... but you're take on this... it's not just disingenuous; it is ignorant. You're making excuses, and they're REACHES, at best. This guy was holding the gun that went off and killed a 32 year old woman. At a MINIMUM, according to YOUR STATE, that is MANSLAUGHTER. A NOT-GUILTY verdict is CLEARLY a POLITICAL ruling.

Try being honest. Just give it a try.

This has NOTHING to do with Zarate's immigration status... that's nonsense, agreed... He is a human being, and she was a human being. This is about being responsible for consequences - we don't get to cause the death of another human being without being held accountable.

Your defense of this guy is just senseless.

 

[Origanalist]

I think his bf is an illegal.

You think too much.

 

[Origanalist]

Did your opinion make any dents in the size of the government? Is there anything, short of this lofty goal, worth your attention?

1. No.

2. Sure,, kids, grandkids, work, the old lady, motorcycles, good whiskey and more.


And you?

 

[Danke]

You think too much.

Oh? Your bf has papers?

 

[William Tell]

Justice should be blind. Seems clear it is not. Most of us would be rotting for decades if we did the same thing. Regardless of opinions on immigration we should at least come to terms with the fact that illegals are above the law at least in some states. Kinda pisses me off that the rest of us are not. But not for a crime like this of course.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

All the arguments made here are factually correct in that he was here without "permission", he picked up a gun that wasn't his (it's clear he does not carry one nor could a homeless person afford the weapon that it turns out was stolen from a goon), the gun fired, the bullet hit concrete before hitting the woman (who's life was tragically ended).

All those who want a wall point out that he violated a goonerment law by being here. Yup!
All those who want a goonsquad to "protect" them point out that this guy was a crook. Yup!
It's clear that during his goon intimidation he changed his story several times. Yup!
Has anyone shown where the guy was trying to hurt anyone? Nope!
Has anyone shown any reason for the shot other than accident? Nope!

Sorry, but this is clearly NOT murder. I think an argument can be made for manslaughter but I'm not sure what elements need to be proven for that charge. It really is a shame that this girl was killed by this mans stupid actions but you know what? My brother was killed by the stupid actions of an electrician some 30 years ago and no one was ever charged. I miss my brother... The electrician was a foulking idiot and I wish I could punish him but he did not "murder" my brother.

 

[donnay]

Justice should be blind. Seems clear it is not. Most of us would be rotting for decades if we did the same thing. Regardless of opinions on immigration we should at least come to terms with the fact that illegals are above the law at least in some states. Kinda pisses me off that the rest of us are not. But not for a crime like this of course.

Yes you're correct. However, I see this as a political ploy to set off a civil war, of which the deep state would like nothing more.

In this case, common sense should dictate and it does for most of us. So the collective anger builds and they sit back, kick their heels up and smile.

They take our goodness as weakness.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

All the arguments made here are factually correct in that he was here without "permission", he picked up a gun that wasn't his (it's clear he does not carry one nor could a homeless person afford the weapon that it turns out was stolen from a goon), the gun fired, the bullet hit concrete before hitting the woman (who's life was tragically ended).

All those who want a wall point out that he violated a goonerment law by being here. Yup!
All those who want a goonsquad to "protect" them point out that this guy was a crook. Yup!
It's clear that during his goon intimidation he changed his story several times. Yup!
Has anyone shown where the guy was trying to hurt anyone? Nope!
Has anyone shown any reason for the shot other than accident? Nope!

Sorry, but this is clearly NOT murder. I think an argument can be made for manslaughter but I'm not sure what elements need to be proven for that charge. It really is a shame that this girl was killed by this mans stupid actions but you know what? My brother was killed by the stupid actions of an electrician some 30 years ago and no one was ever charged. I miss my brother... The electrician was a foulking idiot and I wish I could punish him but he did not "murder" my brother.

I think it's pretty clear that we're dealing with a poliltically motivated jury here, CA.

People who hold individualist political view points should either organize with intent in California, or they should abandon the territory altogether.

We've witnessed the upending of justice with this finding, in my opinion. This was a trial-by-jury. I'm all for nullification, but these 12 people have obviously - in my view - made a political finding, as opposed to a just finding. And as a consequence, they have inaugurated - whether it is acted upon or not - a vigilantist society.

Speaking personally, I'm okay with that. I'm just not sure most people understand what that means.

 

[Raginfridus]

Yes you're correct. However, I see this as a political ploy to set off a civil war, of which the deep state would like nothing more.

So the collective anger builds and they sit back, kick their heels up and smile.

Is this a big deal in California? I haven't seen a change in anybody since Kate was shot.

 

[Anti Federalist]

So, should we be giving them back their country?

Might as well.

If western European Enlightenment culture of liberalism, in the true sense of the word, is not worth defending or protecting or promoting, sure, why not.

Call it quits and give it all back.

 

[AuH20]

So, to be clear, the denizens of RPF want government to assert its powers, go after the illegals, because poster boy Jose killed a pretty white girl in the land of fruits and nuts. Of course government thus empowered would never go after them and we dont stand a chance of getting a libertarian country as long as the socialists from the south infect this bastion of freedom.

Sorry folks, but we have bigger problems than Jose.

We have bigger problems than to be bludgeoned to death by the crowbar of 'democracy'? That's news to me. We don't live in a free country, but we could easily transform into California if the naysayers had their way.

 

[Ender]

Might as well.

If western European Enlightenment culture of liberalism, in the true sense of the word, is not worth defending or protecting or promoting, sure, why not.

Call it quits and give it all back.

Or build a new and actual freedom-oriented country instead of an empire that enslaves it's own, while bombing the world.

 

[Raginfridus]

"Why throw the gun in the bay?" they asked. Per ABC 7, Garcia Zarate answered, "I thought it was going to continue shooting."
This statement implicated Garcia Zarate after he had initially said he stepped on the gun and it went off. The defendant described finding the gun wrapped in a cloth or t-shirt, insisting he had found it right there, near the pier.
A couple of troubling things arose out of the airing of the confession that are likely to be part of the focus of cross-examination Thursday by defense attorney Matt Gonzalez.
For one, the investigators asked Garcia Zarate multiple times what he was shooting at. At one point he said he was shooting at "a sea animal," as the Chronicle reports, though KQED has him saying "sea lion" and then correcting himself to say, "a black fish." This contradicts other statements that the gun went off accidentally. Garcia Zarate would also say that he thought Steinle, or the woman he hit, was five feet away from him when in fact she was about 90 feet away.