Kate Steinle Verdict - Not Guilty

[Weston White]

Whether it is or not is inconsequential to the matter at hand.

What is offensive to individual liberty is The Vote (tm) itself. Further, it is offensive to individual liberty to suggest that individual liberty is advanced by restricting the physical movement of non-violent human beings.

That being said, this POS who shot Ms. Steinle, either intentionally or accidentally, should have found his tit in a legitimate ringer, his "immigrant status" not withstanding (and that seems to be the fact lost upon the Trumpistas)... and I hope he does find it so one way or another.

ETA: I know where I'd be on this matter, were I her relative.

Yes, let us flood all nations with third-world socialists, yes let;s do that and see what it to be the endgame. Add enough water into a cup and even the darkest drops of ink will entirely disappear.

 

[Weston White]

Yes, guns kill people; what now Nancy?

??? (Sorry, I no longer have my Orphan Annie Secret Society decoder pin.)

 

[Swordsmyth]

I am not trying to defeat AF's logic- he is pointing out an obvious fact-

An obvious fact that you tried to ridicule with a stupid suggestion meant to imply that in order to have an intellectual leg to stand on AF would have to support giving the land back to the Indians.

however, contrary to your continuou strawman arguments, the problems we face to today are indeed a part of the WoD- it is NOT a separate issue, any more than bombing other countries is separate from blowback.

No, as I have pointed out before they are 2 different issues that interact, we had illegal aliens before the war on drugs.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

??? (Sorry, I no longer have my Orphan Annie Secret Society decoder pin.)

It's tough being a marine mammal.

 

[Zippyjuan]

https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/10/2...s-gun-was-stolen-and-used-in-steinle-killing/

Federal Agency Promoted Ranger Five Months After His Gun Was Stolen and Used in Steinle Killing

Five months after Kathryn Steinle was slain on San Francisco’s waterfront, the U.S. Bureau of Land Management promoted the law enforcement ranger whose unsecured stolen gun was used to kill her, according to an internal BLM email obtained by KQED.

Jose Ines Garcia Zarate, an undocumented Mexican national, is expected to go on trial in San Francisco next week on a charge of murder in Steinle’s killing. Conservative lawmakers have seized on Garcia Zarate’s history of deportations and illegal re-entry into the U.S. — plus San Francisco’s policy that ignored a detention request from immigration authorities — to fuel a political assault on so-called sanctuary cities.

BLM ranger John Woychowski’s .40-caliber Sig Sauer handgun has received far less attention, and how it ended up in Garcia Zarate’s hands remains a mystery.

The attorneys say Woychowski was driving his personal vehicle, and he had passengers — his then-girlfriend and three children, 5, 10 and 14 years old. According to attorneys familiar with the case, Woychowski told investigators he left on a day off and drove up the California coast — over 600 miles — before stopping near the Embarcadero in San Francisco for dinner at almost 10 p.m.

When Woychowski and the group returned to the vehicle, they found it burglarized, with the backpack containing Woychowski’s duty weapon and ammunition missing. It had been stashed under the driver’s seat.

The gun’s path from there to Jose Ines Garcia Zarate’s hands — as he sat in a spinning metal chair on Pier 14 four days later — is unknown.

Woychowski made a report to San Francisco police at 11:14 p.m., according to the defense motion. Another auto burglary, in a parking garage near 300 Embarcadero, just down the street from Pier 14, was reported at 11:34 p.m. The backpack, a .40-caliber ammunition magazine and Woychowski’s BLM-issued credit cards were found near the site of the second break-in.

“If the San Francisco Police Department and the district attorney wanted to, they could have pressed charges,” civil attorney Alison Cordova said in an interview. “From what we know, John Woychowski did not have his gun in a locked compartment in the vehicle. It was in a backpack, unlocked in the vehicle. That is not a locked compartment. It was a violation of criminal law at the time that it happened.”

Defense attorney Gonzalez says that wasn’t the only crime. Woychowski had a second handgun in the spare tire wheel well in the trunk of his car that Gonzalez says was also unsecured. It wasn’t stolen. Woychowski didn’t mention it to police investigators, and they didn’t ask, Gonzalez said.

Even though he wasn’t criminally charged, Woychowski should have faced administrative discipline — such as a reprimand, suspension or firing, Gonzalez says, for violating BLM law enforcement policies in addition to state law.

He faced none, however.

The gun was stolen about ten days before the incident.

 

[Swordsmyth]

https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/11/30/steinle-trial-verdict/

The model of gun involved doesn't "drop-fire" and he admitted to firing the gun before changing his story.

 

[Weston White]

 

[r3volution 3.0]

The reality is here wasn't evidence to convict this nitwit.

And this shakes the idiot nationalists to the bone.

...or would shake them, if they still had thoughts.

 

[Danke]

The reality is here wasn't evidence to convict this nitwit.

And this shakes the idiot nationalists to the bone.

...or would shake them, if they still had thoughts.

You mean other than his confession?

 

[dannno]

He admitted to firing the gun before he changed his story.

Are you saying his testimony is not credible?!

 

[Danke]

[FONT=&quot]Why throw the gun in the bay?" they asked. Per ABC 7, Garcia Zarate answered, "I thought it was going to continue shooting."[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]This statement implicated Garcia Zarate after he had initially said he stepped on the gun and it went off. The defendant described finding the gun wrapped in a cloth or t-shirt, insisting he had found it right there, near the pier.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A couple of troubling things arose out of the airing of the confession that are likely to be part of the focus of cross-examination Thursday by defense attorney Matt Gonzalez. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]For one, the investigators asked Garcia Zarate multiple times what he was shooting at. At one point he said he was shooting at "a sea animal," as the Chronicle reports, though KQED has him saying "sea lion" and then correcting himself to say, "a black fish." This contradicts other statements that the gun went off accidentally. Garcia Zarate would also say that he though Steinle, or the woman he hit, was five feet away from him when in fact she was about 90 feet away.[/FONT]

 

[Origanalist]

So, to be clear, the denizens of RPF want government to assert its powers, go after the illegals, because poster boy Jose killed a pretty white girl in the land of fruits and nuts. Of course government thus empowered would never go after them and we dont stand a chance of getting a libertarian country as long as the socialists from the south infect this bastion of freedom.

Sorry folks, but we have bigger problems than Jose.

 

[Origanalist]

I'm much more concerned with the infestation from the north east portion of the country.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I'm much more concerned with the infestation from the north east portion of the country.

True, so when we/they secede will you argue that we should let them all move in on us after they turn their countries into hell holes?

They already do this while constrained by the constitution and our politicians, thanks to the fact that the other states can't exclude them while part of the union.

 

[Origanalist]

True, so when we/they secede will you argue that we should let them all move in on us after they turn their countries into hell holes?

They already do this while constrained by the constitution and our politicians, thanks to the fact that the other states can't exclude them while part of the union.

I have long been of the opinion that if we have to suffer under government it needs to be much smaller and much more locally controlled. So it would depend on local sentiments, not empire issued edicts.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I have long been of the opinion that if we have to suffer under government it needs to be much smaller and much more locally controlled. So it would depend on local sentiments, not empire issued edicts.

So the answer is: Yes we would need to control immigration to protect freedom from statist barbarians.

 

[pcosmar]

(8) Felon in possession of a firearm,

#4
though I plead to "attempted possession".

My wife had a shotgun.

 

[Origanalist]

So the answer is: Yes we would need to control immigration to protect freedom from statist barbarians.

Apples and oranges, but carry on.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Apples and oranges.

And both need to be protected from insect damage.

 

[timosman]

I have long been of the opinion that if we have to suffer under government it needs to be much smaller and much more locally controlled.

Did your opinion make any dents in the size of the government? Is there anything, short of this lofty goal, worth your attention?