Kate Steinle Verdict - Not Guilty

[Swordsmyth]

Nope.
Not since it's creation has it been separated from anything.

The entire legal "system" the MASSIVE INCREASE IN ENFORCERS OF CONTROL,
Several wars, and related foreign policy

and the Economy..

Hell yes it is an issue.

It is a BIG issue, but it is a separate issue, we can control our borders and immigration AND de-criminalize ALL drugs, it would probably even help with border security.

 

[Zippyjuan]

"appeared". Call me skeptical about that evaluation. I would guess it would have to hit the ground further away (lesser angle) from the shooter to maintain it's energy to kill her. No doubt no one did any experiments to confirm or deny the hypothesis. Now if he was shooting at a bird on the ground, then 15 feet away might make sense, but that excuse was never used.

While it wouldn't be terribly hard for an experienced shooter to hit a person at 100 yards (taking their time), there would be some (bad) luck involved for a beginner. He may have been aiming at a seal, or the father, or people on the pier in general. But it lined up with Kate.

Without performing the actual trigonometry, if the bullet hit her in the back (assume something like four feet off the ground) 300 feet past the ricochet and the point of the ricochet was about 15 feet from where he was, that gun wasn't very far off the ground when it went off. She was 20 times farther from that point than he was.

Garcia Zarate said he found the gun wrapped in a T-shirt on the pier and it accidentally fired when he picked it up.

Authorities returned to the popular pier four days later, after the bullet was found to be partially flattened, indicating it had ricocheted, he said.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-steinle-trial-20171030-story.html

OK- using an online calculator figuring four feet high and 300 feet away, the angle off the pier was 0.78 degrees. Granted a bullet will lose height over that distance. Figuring 15 feet as the distance from the gun to the ricochet point, it gives me about 0.2 feet off the ground.
http://www.cleavebooks.co.uk/scol/calrtri.htm

I have seen different figures for how far away she was from the ricochet. This article claims 78 feet: http://abc7news.com/expert-for-defe...s-questions-about-ricocheting-bullet/2610897/

That gives me an angle of three degrees and an estimated height of 0.77 feet.

(edited to correct calculations- I missed a decimal point in the original one I posted)

From that article:

First, he testified that the trigger pull of the gun used to shoot Kate Steinle was light, about four pounds when left in single action mode, meaning ready to fire.

"If someone were to try to grab it or catch it or if it caught on an article of clothing, it could discharge and we're talking about an extremely light trigger pull," Norris testified.

Initially, Garcia Zarate told police he found the stolen gun at the pier and that it went off when he stepped on it, but later admitted to holding the gun wrapped in a piece of cloth and examining it when it went of.

 

[pcosmar]

It is a BIG issue, but it is a separate issue, we can control our borders and immigration AND de-criminalize ALL drugs, it would probably even help with border security.

I have never been a fan of Authoritarian Control. and see no need for it in most cases.

Perhaps if you support Authoritarian Govt, it seems logical. (it would)

I can not.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I have never been a fan of Authoritarian Control. and see no need for it in most cases.

Perhaps if you support Authoritarian Govt, it seems logical. (it would)

I can not.

I believe the world is full of people who want to destroy freedom, we have too many of them already here, we have to control who comes here or we will not be able to keep what we have let alone get more, the closer we get to true freedom the more true this principle becomes.

 

[Origanalist]

I believe the world is full of people who want to destroy freedom, we have too many of them already here, we have to control who comes here or we will not be able to keep what we have let alone get more, the closer we get to true freedom the more true this principle becomes.

Is that like " I have to destroy the free market to save it?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Is that like " I have to destroy the free market to save it?

NO.

 

[Origanalist]

NO.

Hmmm

 

[Swordsmyth]

Hmmm

Hmmmmmmmm...........

 

[Origanalist]

Hmmmmmmmm...........

So if we build a 50 foot inpenetrable wall, Dobie can be free?

 

[Swordsmyth]

So if we build a 50 foot inpenetrable wall, Dobie can be free?

Who or what is dobie?

In any case if you control your border you can be as free as you allow yourself to be inside it, if you leave it you can only be as free as the people outside allow you to be, if you don't control it you can only be as free as whoever crosses it allows you to be.

 

[Origanalist]

Who or what is dobie?

In any case if you control your border you can be as free as you allow yourself to be inside it, if you leave it you can only be as free as the people outside allow you to be, if you don't control it you can only be as free as whoever crosses it allows you to be.

Lol, sounds like a plan.

 

[cindy25]

classic jury nullification ; and they elected Roy moore

 

[Swordsmyth]

classic jury nullification ; and they elected Roy moore

???

 

[Weston White]

If you mean that deporting innocent people is a tragedy, I agree.



Sure it does, see above

[FONT=&]Seven victimless crimes...

And the monstrous offense for which he was being held in San Fransisco before they released him?



The horror...
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(8) Felon in possession of a firearm, (9) felon firing weapon within city limits, (10) felon violating the Marine Mammal Protection Act of 1972.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Without performing the actual trigonometry, if the bullet hit her in the back (assume something like four feet off the ground) 300 feet past the ricochet and the point of the ricochet was about 15 feet from where he was, that gun wasn't very far off the ground when it went off. She was 20 times farther from that point than he was.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-steinle-trial-20171030-story.html

OK- using an online calculator figuring four feet high and 300 feet away, the angle off the pier was 0.78 degrees. Granted a bullet will lose height over that distance. Figuring 15 feet as the distance from the gun to the ricochet point, it gives me about 0.2 feet off the ground.
http://www.cleavebooks.co.uk/scol/calrtri.htm

I have seen different figures for how far away she was from the ricochet. This article claims 78 feet: http://abc7news.com/expert-for-defe...s-questions-about-ricocheting-bullet/2610897/

You can speculate all day long. First of all, I am a skeptic, and I have little faith that the true trajectory was discovered, or will ever be known. I don't trust that the "mark" they found on the ground was where the bullet first hit. Maybe it ricocheted off of something else. Maybe it ricocheted off a purse buckle or a bone. Maybe it didn't ricochet at all.

I don't know, you don't know, and I don't trust that the cops (or even a scientist) would know for sure.

What we do know is that it came from that gun, and hit her. That is the known fact.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

classic jury nullification ; and they elected Roy moore

???

I believe the point is that this verdict will create some right wing backlash. Maybe in the Roy Moore vote, and very likely with the immigration/wall issue.

 

[Raginfridus]

The drug war is a separate issue.

No, illegal immigration as we've been seeing for 40 years now is a consequence of our so-called War on Drugs. Humans don't uproot en mass from communities, customs, and land they've been familiar with for generations, unless those communities are being destroyed by man or environment.

(8) Felon in possession of a firearm, (9) felon firing weapon within city limits, (10) felon violating the Marine Mammal Protection Act of 1972.

If he wasn't everybody's poster child for this or that, just some mug, he'd be cooling for a long time, but we have careers to consider and feelings to foment.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Once again, you people who think an armed population would have prevented this, are very, very wrong. Once the shot was fired, there was no saving Kate.

Non sequitur.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Well, you are right about her being dead and armed populace would not have stopped it however you are forgetting the "justice" part of this equation. If an armed person had pulled out his gun and killed the creep at least he would not be walking free tonight.

I don't believe that "borders" will stop these kinds of crimes (they never had and they never will). Crimes will not go away. Your goonerment will never keep you safe. Laws are a joke. If you want to be safe you must provide for your own safety however you can. If you feel that carrying a gun makes you safer (I would agree) then carry one...

As per usual, sir:

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ChristianAnarchist again.

 

[Swordsmyth]

No, illegal immigration as we've been seeing for 40 years now is a consequence of our so-called War on Drugs. Humans don't uproot en mass from communities, customs, and land they've been familiar with for generations, unless those communities are being destroyed by man or environment.

The issues DO interact but they are separate, as I said above:

It is a BIG issue, but it is a separate issue, we can control our borders and immigration AND de-criminalize ALL drugs, it would probably even help with border security.