Kansas Caucuses Thread

I always expected MS and AL to be our worst states. That would be expected.

Cmon sailing, we can't keep making excuses and waiting for that perfect states where he can win. We've heard that tune too many times now. The campaign and candidate are poor at retail politics and connecting with the voters. At this stage of the game, he isn't even being considered by most people. Sad to say, but they had their chance but failed to capitalize on it.
 
With a GOTV effort, we could have canvassed every back alley looking for town drunks, promised them a free fifth of Mad Dog 20/20 to vote Ron Paul and found at least a 100. LOL!!! This is truly turning into a joke. A pathetic one at that.

Many here are philosophically opposed to GOTV.

"Go get votes"

"Ok, I'll go, right now, and stand on a street corner, holding a sign."

"No, I mean, GO GET VOTES."

"I'll stand on a street corner. Maybe a comparison sheet?"

We simply do not enjoy getting people to the polls. We enjoy talking about Liberty. Yay. This is fun. I'm talking about Ron Paul. I have opinions.

Hey, who could've possibly anticipated way back in 2011, that there would be a whole college full of people there in Lawrence, KS, with over 10K people there. Same thing with Manhattan Kansas. How could people possibly know that there would be 10s of thousands of young students living in dorms and apartments right there?

How is it that we can have 1600 students in Youth For Ron Paul University of Kansas, and 173 votes in the whole county? It just makes no sense at all to me. Well, we clearly didn't Get Out The Vote.

Listen I've worked on successful campaigns before. GOTV is not something you HOPE FOR. It's WHAT WE DO. But we are clueless about GOTV, if not fighting against it.

Hey, maybe a MARCH somewhere else, expensive and time consuming, that'll get people out of the dorms.

People have suggested they're willing to be arrested.

Ok.

How about PULLING FIRE ALARMS IN DORMS? That will get you arrested. And it will be helpful.

A Dorm Room is like a HOUSE. Going door to door means - going into DORMS. Maybe we can look at it that way.
 
It's getting to a point where it is becoming embarrassing.

It sounds like you are feeling down. Cheer up. Ron Paul did terrible in 1988 in every state. He did a lot better in 2008 and is doing much better, now :D
 
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I always expected MS and AL to be our worst states. That would be expected.

Right.

Right now we should be somewhat happy that Romney isn't much closer to the number he needs to clinch the nomination. We didn't get any delegates here in Kansas I don't think. And Romney got some.

Ron Paul Supporters for Santorum. In MS and AL, Ron Paul Supporters for Gingrich.

Soon, we'll have winner take all primaries, and it will clearly be in our best interest to vote for Santorum.
 
Cmon sailing, we can't keep making excuses and waiting for that perfect states where he can win. We've heard that tune too many times now. The campaign and candidate are poor at retail politics and connecting with the voters. At this stage of the game, he isn't even being considered by most people. Sad to say, but they had their chance but failed to capitalize on it.

They are doing pretty darn well actually. The problem is we are fighting a huge establishment that has billions and billions behind it. We are being treated terribly left and right. While other campaigns get hours of free coverage by the media, we don't. Think about all the debates where Ron Paul rocked out and they barely mention him. Like the last debate, they said the Grinch won the debate! Anyone with two brain cells to rub together could easily see the Ron Paul clearly won. The Grinch sat there like the fool he is, but the MSM said he won. When you fighting idiotic crap like that, it doesn't really matter how good the campaign efforts are, there will be a huge uphill battle. So if you want to blame someone, don't blame Ron Paul or the campaign, blame the fools who are running this country.
 
With a GOTV effort, we could have canvassed every back alley looking for town drunks, promised them a free fifth of Mad Dog 20/20 to vote Ron Paul and found at least a 100. LOL!!! This is truly turning into a joke. A pathetic one at that.

Rent a party bus. Have booze on the party bus. Give people that booze on that party bus. Drive the party bus around, occasionally stopping off at the caucus.

Missouri. Party Bus. St. Patricks Day. Green Beer. Guinness.

Or do we need to have flyers explaining why Ron Paul is best? Is that the problem? (No, it isn't).
 
Cmon sailing, we can't keep making excuses and waiting for that perfect states where he can win. We've heard that tune too many times now. The campaign and candidate are poor at retail politics and connecting with the voters. At this stage of the game, he isn't even being considered by most people. Sad to say, but they had their chance but failed to capitalize on it.

Please do take this to a different subforum. Stating an opinion is one thing, not being satisfied until everyone feels as defeatist as you do is very different. I am very UPbeat today. I never understood WTF we were doing in Kansas. I've been reading what is happening in NV and Iowa, and I am getting very hopeful about Ron's delegate strategy, given that no one seems to be on the verge of dropping out. Now the big battle is to keep all those who need to become delegates just as hopeful so they will put in the dedicated work necessary to win a victory, electoral or else a victory of influence in some fashion. Constantly saying 'lets stop kidding ourselves' is very demoralizing to the very people needed to put in that work. One wonders why you and a few others do so very much of that.
 
Don't expect SHEEIT from Johnson County. Anyone from Kansas knows what I'm talking about. Nothing but stuck up pretentious rich folk who'll probably go for Romney if not for Santorum. Just about the ONLY place I'd consider a stronghold is Lawrence and Manhattan, but sincerely doubt we'll do anything there.

Well I'm not one, but I tend to agree. Just remember that Lawrence is not a bastion of libertarianism. Yeah it's got more Ron Paul republicans per capita, but those are far outnumbered by left wing kooks. I got out of Lawrence in ''96 due to idiotic things like banning paintball ranges, shutting down the KU shooting range, etc.
 
Rent a party bus. Have booze on the party bus. Give people that booze on that party bus. Drive the party bus around, occasionally stopping off at the caucus.

Missouri. Party Bus. St. Patricks Day. Green Beer. Guinness.

Or do we need to have flyers explaining why Ron Paul is best? Is that the problem? (No, it isn't).

It may not be, but voting is a social event at senior centers from what I understand and I intend to make some brochures with Ron's budget/social security/medicare plan and drop them off at senior centers. It can't hurt, and it will make me feel better....
 
Right.

Right now we should be somewhat happy that Romney isn't much closer to the number he needs to clinch the nomination. We didn't get any delegates here in Kansas I don't think. And Romney got some.

Ron Paul Supporters for Santorum. In MS and AL, Ron Paul Supporters for Gingrich.

Soon, we'll have winner take all primaries, and it will clearly be in our best interest to vote for Santorum.

I'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
 
It sounds like you are feeling down. Cheer up. Ron Paul did terrible in 1988 in very state. He did a lot better in 2008 and is doing much better, now :D

This is what I keep telling myself.

The movement is growing at an uncontrollable pace, but my fear is that all these people who think the world is going to end at the end of Obama's 2nd term will stop fighting for liberty because they won't believe its a fight that can be won.

In the grand scheme, and the big picture, we are winning by leaps and bounds.

But if we just dissipate away and don't focus on taking the GOP back from the NeoCons and Diet Democrats then all of this, all of Ron's work, was for nothing...
 
This is what I keep telling myself.

The movement is growing at an uncontrollable pace, but my fear is that all these people who think the world is going to end at the end of Obama's 2nd term will stop fighting for liberty because they won't believe its a fight that can be won.

In the grand scheme, and the big picture, we are winning by leaps and bounds.

But if we just dissipate away and don't focus on taking the GOP back from the NeoCons and Diet Democrats then all of this, all of Ron's work, was for nothing...

Then you should be encouraging people to be delegates.
 
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dont forget Minnesota

I'm very disappointed in my state. Vermont, Maine, NH, ND, Iowa, VA, and Washington have shown great things. We will continue to be shunned, but we continue to push forward. If Paul doesn't win in Tampa he will once again be the love-child of all economic talk like he was between '08 and '12 and the country will regret its decisions once again. However, a second ballot at the convention is a must. I wouldn't mind going to jail for casting my vote for a different candidate first ballot if it made a President Paul.

Remember the Alamo!! Oh darn off topic. Ok you mentioned some very good states where we will get delegates. Much better than 08.

But dont Forget Minnesota this year. The delegates for Tampa have not been finalized. Minnesotans Rock.

Look for good things. Like a majority.

Keep the faith. We have Rand in 2016.
 
They are doing pretty darn well actually. The problem is we are fighting a huge establishment that has billions and billions behind it. We are being treated terribly left and right. While other campaigns get hours of free coverage by the media, we don't. Think about all the debates where Ron Paul rocked out and they barely mention him. Like the last debate, they said the Grinch won the debate! Anyone with two brain cells to rub together could easily see the Ron Paul clearly won. The Grinch sat there like the fool he is, but the MSM said he won. When you fighting idiotic crap like that, it doesn't really matter how good the campaign efforts are, there will be a huge uphill battle. So if you want to blame someone, don't blame Ron Paul or the campaign, blame the fools who are running this country.

there are a few Pollyanna types that just do not see the forest for the trees ... the media is a sewer owned by the enemy of the liberties we value ... Agree with you in my heart and my head ... a few should read more
 
Cmon sailing, we can't keep making excuses and waiting for that perfect states where he can win. We've heard that tune too many times now. The campaign and candidate are poor at retail politics and connecting with the voters. At this stage of the game, he isn't even being considered by most people. Sad to say, but they had their chance but failed to capitalize on it.


Dammit I'll say it again. Ron Paul is freaking outstanding at retail politics. The reason we aren't in first is the media.

In Iowa, despite doing many fewer events and actually traveling to other states, Ron Paul absolutely destroyed Rick Santorum in retail politics. We were leading in the polls. Then foxnews attacked Ron relentlessly for 2 weeks straight and the antigay pro war vote coalesced around santorum with the help of the media and that family leader endorsement.

When the question was Who is most effective at winning over voters at small town hall meet and greets, Ron Paul was beyond a shadow of a doubt the best of any republican this cycle.
 
Only Dr Paul can beat Obama so worst case scenario is that we have to wait 4 years! Let's use the time to build the Liberty movement. Dr Paul will still be around to help us out when we need him.
 
Your philosophy is pragmatism, and you're going to accuse someone else of supporting Marxian theory? You're a piece of work.

The government has no right to the fruits of your labor. My position on taxation follows from that stance; my goal is 0% taxation, and any changes in the tax code should be made in that direction. Rand Paul's tax plan moves in the opposite direction, and promotes a system in which 100% of people with a job will have their income stolen from them at a 17% rate. That is anti-liberty at its core.

See, the problem with people like yourself is you never want to point out Ron Paul's flaws. You prop him up as if he is divine and omniscient on every policy, in every faction government. I love the guy and everything he stands for, but unfortunately, he isn't being realistic on some things, and the income tax is one of them. Saying you want to go to a 0% rate 'just like that' all because it is 'unconstitutional' and because 'we never had it before 1913' is just a tad reckless. The fact right now is, WE HAVE AN INCOME TAX. This is one of the reasons why many moderates don't take him seriously at all, and that is the base you need to win with. It is also why many pundits crap on him as well. At the debate when Bret Baier asked them to call out their number for taxes, Ron just yells out 0, while the others were being realistic with it.

Do you honestly think if he was to become president, that the senate/congress/SC would allow an 'instant 0%' to be enacted, just like that? With the shape the economy is in, the mess that the entitlement systems are in, the Fed and its horrific monetary policies, the banking regulations, etc, cutting income tax down to nothing instantly would be too drastic and would cause serious 'anomalies' to occur. When you get in the shower, you just dont go right under the hot water, you ACCLIMATE with cooler, warmer water first, as your body adjusts. Think of it along those lines.

People may not like hearing this, and im sorry, but some of Ron's polices are just a bit too draconian for most, and i can understand where those people are coming from a bit. No, i am not saying i support Romney or Santorum, so please don't go there. Those guys need to go fall in a well and starve to death or something, then have manure dumped on them, never to be heard from again. But i can't count how many people i have talked to since summer of last year, who say they like him, but he isnt being 'real' with the cuts he wants to make and they dont take him seriously. Hell, even prominent military figures i have seen say how much they like his ideas, but that they don't feel comfortable with abolishing of so many damn depts. Then people wonder why the GOP mocks him in those areas. While yes, some things need to go completely, some things DON'T need to be abolished, just fixed and made more efficient to benefit the people, not political hacks, criminals, and special interests groups.

As another posted alluded to, this is where Rand understand the give and take game of politics and the realist approach. If Ron had came out this way originally, and was more 'giving' to the GOP in some things, and also didnt distance himself from them so much because they are all seething goblins who get hard-ons over going to war and want to implode the economy, things would look better than they do right now. And yes, you can do that without selling out your core beliefs. Keeping your friends close and your enemies closer is a rule Ron should have followed because in politics, it works to your benefit A LOT, if played right.

Dammit I'll say it again. Ron Paul is freaking outstanding at retail politics. The reason we aren't in first is the media.
Christ..yet another refusing to understand the errors made a long the way, and putting ALL the blame on the media. Do you realize how short sighted that sounds just putting all the blame on fox friggin news? :rolleyes: With this attitude, this movement will never go anywhere at all. Yes, sure, he got f'd over in IA, but the campaign putting pretty much put all its chips into IA and deflating so quickly afterward, just proved what the goal would be afterward. And when NH ended, it was more obvious than ever with the endless hiatuses during actual poll bumps and key endorsements, coupled with a horrendous debate performance he had.
 
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