Justin Raimondo: What Does Ron Paul Want?

specsaregood said:
There may not be "us" including you, but I'm certainly not alone in my sentiment. We'll just have to agree to disagree, freedom is great like that.
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But Rainmondo wasn't the only person to feel that way either. There are plenty of Paul supporters who have absolutely no faith in Rand's foreign policy precisely for the reasons that Rainmondo wrote about.

Again, once you wander off the ranch, nobody is ever allowed back in....
 
Well from what I've read prior to this Rand hasn't had the same hardline stance that Ron has had within foreign affairs. To be frank, I don't either. I think if we want to fight wars we should PAY for them NOW. If you require the citizens of america to pay a war tax and thus have skin in the game then it pretty much clears our whole foregin policy up. The only reason we have necons is they get to play for free. We're billing our children for our own warcrimes.

If we tacked on whatever % it would require tax to all income, earned or unearned we would have a SIGNIFICANT difference in our military spending. If you want to change america start with the pocket book.

specsaregood said:
You decide:
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2010/09/23/the-hollow-man-rand-pauls-father-complex/

Either way, if he had his way there would be no Rand Paul in the Senate sponsoring anti-war legislation, fighting the patriot act, standing up for our rights.
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angelatc said:
Rainmondo was here before Ron Paul ran the first time, and he's been fighting the fight for probably longer than you've been washing your own clothes. But if you want to make sure he's not here after Paul retires, then that "me me me" attitude is certainly the right attitude to have.
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Huh? Me, me, me? Clearly you are fond of the author and what he is doing and I am not disparaging him, I just said I didn't like the $ pitch to RP supporters, especially at this particular time -- seems much too opportunistic. I fail to see how you think that is me, me, me? I think you are lashing out in the wrong direction here.

Anyway, regarding your comment about the length of time I have been washing my own clothes, I am flattered that you think I'm that young! :) Appreciate that!
 
No1butPaul said:
Hey, we write for free here! It is an activist website, everyone knows activists do it from their heart. I have to say, it almost sounded like a bribe ... you support us and we can continue writing Paul-positive articles.
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People love that site. It's the 10th most visited libertarian website in the world and the only one focused almost exclusively on the mass murderous empire. They do what they do on a shoestring budget made possible only by donations. Maybe you should start reading it.
 
angelatc said:
But Rainmondo wasn't the only person to feel that way either. There are plenty of Paul supporters who have absolutely no faith in Rand's foreign policy precisely for the reasons that Rainmondo wrote about.

Again, once you wander off the ranch, nobody is ever allowed back in....
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I see it as a good thing. Principle should be more important than loyalty. If Rainmondo thought that one of the Pauls was doing something antithetical to his principles, then he should call them out. Blindly following leaders and excusing their faults is what go us into the current situation.
 
green73 said:
People love that site. It's the 10th most visited libertarian website in the world and the only one focused almost exclusively on the mass murderous empire. They do what they do on a shoestring budget made possible only by donations. Maybe you should start reading it.
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I don't want to.

By the way, I couldn't even tell you the 1st most-visited libertarian website let alone the 10th!!! We are not all libertarians here you know -- Dr. Paul has a very large tent.
 
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Hook said:
I see it as a good thing. Principle should be more important than loyalty. If Rainmondo thought that one of the Pauls was doing something antithetical to his principles, then he should call them out. Blindly following leaders and excusing their faults is what go us into the current situation.
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There is a time and place for everything. My opinion is that in the last month of a tough election was NOT the time to attack, let alone specifically target a bit portion of Rand's base of support. That's when you keep your mouth shut and give somebody like that the benefit of the doubt. Especially when the other candidate is DEFINITELY opposed to you on almost every single issue, and even relishes in being a warmongering anti civil libertarian.
 
Hook said:
I see it as a good thing. Principle should be more important than loyalty. If Rainmondo thought that one of the Pauls was doing something antithetical to his principles, then he should call them out. Blindly following leaders and excusing their faults is what go us into the current situation.
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That was the way I felt about it. If any other politician had said what Rand did, we wouldn't be having this conversation with the people here insisting that we should have given him a pass on it . It troubled me at the time, because I'm not ever going to again believe that the politician will "come around to my side" after I elect him. I'm past the point of giving anybody the doubt.

I didn't live in Kentucky so I didn't have a vote, but the points that Rainmondo made were valid at the time. I think it's silly to eternally crucify him for speaking what he believed to be the truth.
 
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angelatc said:
That was the way I felt about it. If any other politician had said what Rand did, we wouldn't be having this conversation with the people here insisting that we should have given him a pass on it . It troubled me at the time, because I'm not ever going to again believe that the politician will "come around to my side" after I elect him. I'm past the point of giving anybody the doubt.

I didn't live in Kentucky so I didn't have a vote, but the points that Rainmondo were valid. I think it's silly to eternally crucify him for speaking what he believed to be the truth.
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This. We need purists on that wall, and we want purists on that wall.
 
No1butPaul said:
I don't want to.

By the way, I couldn't even tell you the 1st most-visited libertarian website let alone the 10th!!! We are not all libertarians here you know -- Dr. Paul has a very large tent.
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The 1st is LewRockwell.com. Start reading that and you'll really wake up.
 
Of course he turns it into a fundraising pitch. Justin is a clown. He does a lot of good work, but hes a complete stooge in many areas.
 
No1butPaul said:
Hey, we write for free here! It is an activist website, everyone knows activists do it from their heart. I have to say, it almost sounded like a bribe ... you support us and we can continue writing Paul-positive articles.
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Welcome to the world of politics.
 
No1butPaul said:
I didn't like the $ pitch to RP supporters, especially at this particular time -- seems much too opportunistic.
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antiwar.com is a donor-supported operation. If you regularly read their articles, you'll find that they frequently hit their readers up for contributions. And rightly so.

IOW: This is NOT an "opportunistic" attempt to milk $$$ from "RP supporters" - it's how they stay up-and-running. Embedding requests for donations in their articles is SOP.

They were doing it long before RP's campaign started & they'll be doing it long after the campaign is over.
 
angelatc said:
That was the way I felt about it. If any other politician had said what Rand did, we wouldn't be having this conversation with the people here insisting that we should have given him a pass on it . It troubled me at the time, because I'm not ever going to again believe that the politician will "come around to my side" after I elect him. I'm past the point of giving anybody the doubt.

I didn't live in Kentucky so I didn't have a vote, but the points that Rainmondo made were valid at the time. I think it's silly to eternally crucify him for speaking what he believed to be the truth.
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THIS & +rep. ^^

Raimondo genuinely believed his assessment of Rand was correct - and he acted on the basis of that belief. He'd have been a hypocrite to have done otherwise. He was not attempting to stab Rand in the back; he just didn't recognize Rand as one of "us." He was wrong, but he erred on the side of the angels. And when he discovered that he was wrong, he was man enough to admit it publicly. How is this a bad thing?

Another Rand (Ayn) said a few things about the importance of standing up for one's principles - and about the importance of forgiving others for their honest errors of judgement. She (Ayn Rand) wasn't right about everything, but she nailed it on these two.
 
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