Justin Raimondo: What Does Ron Paul Want?

[sailingaway]

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/05/17/what-does-ron-paul-want/

 

[Indy Vidual]

What Does Ron Paul Want?
This is the question puzzling Paul’s friends, as well as his enemies.


Why can't we ask Ron?
There are some things we cannot talk about.

 

[Indy Vidual]

Precinct by precinct, county by county, state by state, the Ron Paul Revolution is racking up victories – and the Romneyites are in a panic...

 

[No1butPaul]

Overall, a very well-written article I thought. Turned off a bit, however, by the fundraising pitch at the end. It was like they had a meeting and said, the RP money has to go somewhere -- let's try to get our piece of the pie. How does a website like that need $100,000 to exist?

Great advice to delegates to stay inconspicuous at the convention -- we will do much better if our delegates can contain their affiliation in that way. The article also had me thinking though, Tampa might be bigger than any of us even imagined and I hope, I pray, Ron and his family have very good protection. I know his stance on Secret Service, but I wish he would take it!

"Given the highly militarized "security" being prepared for the convention, Tampa will be swarming with cops, Homeland Security thugs, and private agents provocateurs, all just itching for an incident – a defining moment, if you will – that will frame the Paulians as kooky disruptors and assert Romney’s hegemony over the party in a symbolic – and violent – way. I wouldn’t be surprised if even the act of wearing a Paul button is grounds for harassing delegates and their guests. Anyone who acts or looks out of place, who isn’t wearing a suit and tie and exhibits other tell-tale signs of not having the correct political leanings is bound to find themselves under intense scrutiny, and worse."

Anyway we can remind all delegates of this "fact" before they head to Tampa??? Worried about all of our people a bit.

 

[sailingaway]

I think with Obama president they lost a lot of interest in anti war from those on the left who were just using it as a red team blue team wedge issue, and their funding dropped off. They've been having money trouble for a while.

I did wonder if the moneybomb spurred the timing of this article....

But it was still a good article.

 

[green73]

How does a website like that need $100,000 to exist?

On top of website costs they have staff, writers of both of original article and new releases, Scott Horton's radio show ect. I don't think anyone is getting rich there.

 

[specsaregood]

Overall, a very well-written article I thought. Turned off a bit, however, by the fundraising pitch at the end. It was like they had a meeting and said, the RP money has to go somewhere -- let's try to get our piece of the pie.

effing backstabbing raimondo aint ever seeing a dime from me. some of us haven't forgotten what he said about Rand, when support was critical.

 

[green73]

Great article. Shared. rep+

 

[jbauer]

Don't know about their past comments but this article was pretty much spot on. The pleading for donations part at the bottom was annoying. The article was clearly written to pull at RP supporters hearts and minds and then their wallets.

 

[BKom]

effing backstabbing raimondo aint ever seeing a dime from me. some of us haven't forgotten what he said about Rand, when support was critical.

I didn't know he did that. Did he say anything about Rand that was untrue?

 

[specsaregood]

I didn't know he did that. Did he say anything about Rand that was untrue?

You decide:
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2010/09/23/the-hollow-man-rand-pauls-father-complex/

Either way, if he had his way there would be no Rand Paul in the Senate sponsoring anti-war legislation, fighting the patriot act, standing up for our rights.

 

[No1butPaul]

On top of website costs they have staff, writers of both of original article and new releases, Scott Horton's radio show ect. I don't think anyone is getting rich there.

Hey, we write for free here! It is an activist website, everyone knows activists do it from their heart. I have to say, it almost sounded like a bribe ... you support us and we can continue writing Paul-positive articles.

 

[angelatc]

Overall, a very well-written article I thought. Turned off a bit, however, by the fundraising pitch at the end. It was like they had a meeting and said, the RP money has to go somewhere -- let's try to get our piece of the pie. How does a website like that need $100,000 to exist?

Uhm - they have employees?

 

[FSP-Rebel]

I didn't know he did that. Did he say anything about Rand that was untrue?

It's the same with some folks around here when Rand doesn't speak the foreign policy gospel to a T. Even FTL, I listen daily, were throwing fits over Rand's less than pure rhetoric. But yeah, big neg to Raimo for not understanding Rand walking the tightrope. If he would've spoken on foreign policy like his dad does, I'm not sure if he coulda become Senator.

 

[angelatc]

Hey, we write for free here! It is an activist website, everyone knows activists do it from their heart. I have to say, it almost sounded like a bribe ... you support us and we can continue writing Paul-positive articles.

This isn't our living. It is their living. The stuff we write is mostly opinion pieces, or stuff based on snippets of actual information we found in the work that other people have done. The AntiWar.com people spend their whole lives researching and writing about what they've found. We produce pieces writing about what people like them discovered. If you don't see the difference, then don't donate.

 

[No1butPaul]

This isn't our living. It is their living. The stuff we write is mostly opinion pieces, or stuff based on snippets of actual information we found in the work that other people have done. The AntiWar.com people spend their whole lives researching and writing about what they've found. We produce pieces writing about what people like them discovered. If you don't see the difference, then don't donate.

No, I'm not planning on donating. Like I said, very turned off by the way they pitched to RP supporters, especially at this specific time in our campaign.

 

[Lucille]

Raimondo:

Shame on Amanpour for throwing him that curveball, and kudos to Rand Paul, whom I seem to have seriously misjudged. I guess that meeting with Bill Kristol and the neocons didn’t mean what I feared it meant. His remarks not only validate his anti-interventionist credentials, but they also show what a good politician he is becoming: in these war-weary days, you can’t say “bring the troops home” often enough. I’m glad to admit I was wrong about Rand Paul because I can breathe a lot easier, now, knowing he’s going to be a credit to the libertarian movement and his father’s legacy.

Oh, to be sure, I don’t agree with his opposition to the renewal of the START treaty: does he really think we need to spend billions on nuclear rearmament and re-start the cold war? Is there really a possibility of a Russian nuclear attack on the United States – which is what our nuclear posture is geared up for? To ask the question is to answer it in the negative, to be sure. But then again, as I said, Rand Paul the politician is coming into his own: he owes a lot of chits to Jim DeMint, who is making opposition to START his signature issue in the Senate, and it wouldn’t do to cross him, just yet. Very crafty, or too crafty by half: we report, you decide.

While we’re on the subject of Rand Paul: I predict it won’t be long before we start hearing about his presidential prospects. After all, I seem to recall another freshly-elected US Senator who made it to the White House without serving out his term. Rand is young, he’s very presentable, and, although he does a good job of hiding it, he’s just as radical as his father. Why, he even had me fooled.

 

[specsaregood]

Raimondo:

Yes, he apologized after Rand was in the Senate. He stabbed Rand and all of us in the back near the end of the race when it was most important. Like I said, Rand would not be in the Senate if Raimondo had his way. He tried to screw us all over when it was most important and failed. And now he wants your money. eff that.

 

[angelatc]

No, I'm not planning on donating. Like I said, very turned off by the way they pitched to RP supporters, especially at this specific time in our campaign.

Rainmondo was here before Ron Paul ran the first time, and he's been fighting the fight for probably longer than you've been washing your own clothes. But if you want to make sure he's not here after Paul retires, then that "me me me" attitude is certainly the right attitude to have.

 

[angelatc]

Yes, he apologized after Rand was in the Senate. He stabbed Rand and all of us in the back near the end of the race when it was most important. Like I said, Rand would not be in the Senate if Raimondo had his way. He tried to screw us all over when it was most important and failed. And now he wants your money. eff that.

THere's no "us" in that statement. I think what he wrote was perfectly fair.

This is why libertarians don't win elections. If you dare wander off the ranch, they'll never let you back on. Which is especially funny when the piece would have been hailed as dead on if it had been written about anybody who didn't have the last name "Paul."