Justin Amash is the anti-Ron Paul

[Swordsmyth]

It makes sense. The foriegners won't be able to take our freedom if we give it up first.

It's not giving it up to stop them from taking it.

 

[Swordsmyth]

This is my problem with Nationalists-- they are not content to simply follow their ideology or to use persuasion to convince others of their ideology's merits. They wish to use the force of government to force everyone to follow their ideologies.

It is no different from the communists, or socialists, or anyone else who is so smart that they know better than you what is best for you and by God, they are going to save you from yourself. Even if you do not want their saving!

It is an arrogant and destructive mindset and should be rejected by anyone who cherishes freedom.

I would be more than willing to say, those who wish not to purchase Chinese made products, for instance, ought to boycott Chinese made products. Those who wish to only purchase American made products, ought to do so.

But when it comes down to the simple question of if I can, well, why no, I can't. My political betters have determined that in order to keep me safe from predation, I need to pay a little more for comparable items or services depending on where they are made. Nevermind the politics of who is protected and what is not protected or the very basic economic premises which explain the value of free trade the Shepherds have spoken and I should be grateful that they care.

Imagine my gall, I actually insist that people recognize and honor my rights and those of my countrymen, I should know that true liberty is allowing tyrants to destroy us and violate our rights.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Market manipulation is usually bad because it takes a lot of skill to manipulate it in a way that does more good than bad.

Only a master manipulator like Trump should be trusted with such things.

Stopping enemy manipulation isn't manipulation.

 

[PAF]

Imagine my gall, I actually insist that people recognize and honor my rights and those of my countrymen, I should know that true liberty is allowing tyrants to destroy us and violate our rights.

What every dictator/statist has said throughout history.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I should know that true liberty is allowing tyrants to destroy us and violate our rights.

What every dictator/statist has said throughout history.

And that is what you are preaching.

In case you didn't notice, I was mocking it.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Imagine my gall, I actually insist that people recognize and honor my rights and those of my countrymen, I should know that true liberty is allowing tyrants to destroy us and violate our rights.

But you aren't recognizing and honoring my Rights. That is, to do with my property what I see fit. As in, trading some of my property with others for whatever value I see fit.

That is a negative right. Your positive right of being guaranteed labor by means of violating the Rights of many in the ignorant belief that you are creating prosperity is no Right at all.

As far as the tyrant comment.... you, and everyone who subscribes to a similar idea of collectivism, protectionism and positive rights, are the bane of freedom. You are effectively the tyrants you wish to save me from.

 

[Swordsmyth]

But you aren't recognizing and honoring my Rights. That is, to do with my property what I see fit. As in, trading some of my property with others for whatever value I see fit.

That is a negative right. Your positive right of being guaranteed labor by means of violating the Rights of many in the ignorant belief that you are creating prosperity is no Right at all.

As far as the tyrant comment.... you, and everyone who subscribes to a similar idea of collectivism, protectionism and positive rights, are the bane of freedom. You are effectively the tyrants you wish to save me from.

I am not talking about a positive right to labor, no such thing exists, I am talking about every man's right to an honest marketplace, you don't have a right to accept stolen goods or collaborate with an enemy that is waging warfare on your country.

You are taking the side of communists and criminals and then claiming that the "cops" are evil tyrants.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Disgusting how some here worship at the altar of free trade like it is a religion, enriching those that wish to destroy us and turning a blind eye to atrocities committed by their beloved Communist trading partner.

Trump is talking to North Korea. If you think part of anything you use, from your computer to your automobile, has roots in countries which are oppressive or whose labor isn't partly supplied by slaves you are kidding yourself. The shirt on your back was made where?

No doubt that same segment of RPF would have supported supplying the Nazi regime the tools to commit genocide to satisfy their free trade gods.

No doubt I wouldn't have gotten into WWI and quite probably there wouldn't have been the rise of Hitler.

'We' trade with Saudi Arabia and perpetuate the genocide of Yemenis. I would say that if the government quit trading with tyrants, the world's oppression would be measurably lifted.

I am not the government. That is to say, I actually have Rights (insomuch that a majority of people don't come together to vote them away or restrict them).

You know the funny thing as well? I don't really buy foreign goods (except high quality German steel kitchen knives or something). Not because some holier than thou mentality (and I'm not trading with the government of China if I happen to purchase some knick knack from China) but because it is often poor quality and I'd rather just buy something once knowing it is going to work.

Can't you busybodies just leave people alone?

 

[kcchiefs6465]

I am not talking about a positive right to labor, no such thing exists, I am talking about every man's right to an honest marketplace, you don't have a right to accept stolen goods or collaborate with an enemy that is waging warfare on your country.

You are taking the side of communists and criminals and then claiming that the "cops" are evil tyrants.

Please, humor me on these stolen goods.

I am taking the side of freedom. You either have it or you don't.

I'll ask again,

Can't you busybodies just leave people alone?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Please, humor me on these stolen goods.

I am taking the side of freedom. You either have it or you don't.

I'll ask again,

You are taking the side of the enemy of freedom, I don't have to leave people alone who help violate my rights.

 

[PAF]

I am not talking about a positive right to labor, no such thing exists, I am talking about every man's right to an honest marketplace, you don't have a right to accept stolen goods or collaborate with an enemy that is waging warfare on your country.

You are taking the side of communists and criminals and then claiming that the "cops" are evil tyrants.

If I want/need a pair of shoes, and somebody else wants/needs a wooden chair, I and the other person are either free to exchange, or simply walk away. It is when other people like you/government who are not part of that private contract who interfere with my right to choose.

Conversely, if an Australian person produces something, and an American produces something, it is up to me who I wish to exchange with. If I want something el' cheapo, and save the rest of my money for another exchange (something that I need or want), it is within my right to do so. If I find that the higher price thingamajig is to my liking and not have money left over for another thingamajig, that is also my right to do so.

Your way robs me of that right.

 

[Swordsmyth]

If I want/need a pair of shoes, and somebody else wants/needs a wooden chair, I and the other person are either free to exchange, or simply walk away. It is when other people like you/government who are not part of that private contract who interfere with my right to choose.

Conversely, if an Australian person produces something, and an American produces something, it is up to me who I wish to exchange with. If I want something el' cheapo, and save the rest of my money for another exchange (something that I need or want), it is within my right to do so. If I find that the higher price thingamajig is to my liking and not have money left over for another thingamajig, that is also my right to do so.

Your way robs me of that right.

You can't just ignore foreign government intervention, you are advocating for government intervention in the marketplace.

 

[PAF]

You can't just ignore foreign government intervention, you are advocating for government intervention in the marketplace.

LOL we have been over and over this. I am not advocating for any government intervention. But in the case of this and other governments, two wrongs do not make a right. I will do whatever I need to do to maximize my own liberty, whether that means protecting myself from eminent domain, exchanging good and services for what I deem best for me and/or to maximize my personal savings for a rainy day, or J-walking across the street if/when I know I can get away with it so that I am not late for work, or a dozen hot-wings extra crispy.

 

[Swordsmyth]

LOL we have been over and over this. I am not advocating for any government intervention. But in the case of this and other governments, two wrongs do not make a right. I will do whatever I need to do to maximize my own liberty, whether that means protecting myself from eminent domain, exchanging good and services for what I deem best for me and/or to maximize my personal savings for a rainy day, or J-walking across the street if/when I know I can get away with it so that I am not late for work, or a dozen hot-wings extra crispy.

It's not wrong to cancel out their intervention, it is right.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Excellent comic...you make my point better than I can.

And what happened those natives?

They ended up second class citizens, deposed of their lands, traditions and customs, and thrown on squalid reservations to have their sons become wards of the state, after being ethnically cleansed in a genocidal pogrom.

That's not the future I want for my sons, not the future I want for my posterity and certainly not the future I'm willing to accept for a cheap roof.

 

[PAF]

It's not wrong to cancel out their intervention, it is right.

SwordSmyth, for the umpteenth time, please go HERE

As I have told you repeatedly in the past, you either understand liberty from within, or you do not. You are the latter. Because, well, you know why, so please do not make me say it again.

 

[Swordsmyth]

SwordSmyth, for the umpteenth time, please go HERE

As I have told you repeatedly in the past, you either understand liberty from within, or you do not. You are the latter. Because, well, you know why, so please do not make me say it again.

That doesn't say what you think it says.

Liberty is composed of restrictions on tyrants, you want to prohibit the restriction of tyrants, that make you an enemy of liberty.

 

[Danke]

Excellent comic...you make my point better than I can.

And what happened those natives?

They ended up second class citizens, deposed of their lands, traditions and customs, and thrown on squalid reservations to have their sons become wards of the state, after being ethnically cleansed in a genocidal pogrom.

That's not the future I want for my sons, not the future I want for my posterity and certainly not the future I'm willing to accept for a cheap roof.

Seems Oyarde has done well with his assimilation.

 

[TheTexan]

You are taking the side of the enemy of freedom, I don't have to leave people alone who help violate my rights.

kcchiefs just wants you and your family to suffer. It's why he buys his plastic lawn chairs from China instead of America.

 

[Swordsmyth]

kcchiefs just wants you and your family to suffer. It's why he buys his plastic lawn chairs from China instead of America.

He just wants to save a buck even if it costs us all our liberty.

Trading his birthright for a mess of pottage, his kind have been the bane of liberty throughout history, tyrants couldn't succeed without them.