Justin Amash is the anti-Ron Paul

[UWDude]

That has to be the most assured way to get shot that I could imagine (though it would be funnier than hell if you actually pulled it off).

For God's sake, get a pistol. There's no need to be a martyr for what amounts to worthless property that I assume is not even yours. From a capitalist perspective too, you die trying to defend a few hundred or thousand dollars and the business will lose that in higher insurance costs, the lost sales that will result, etc.

For example, if you get stabbed trying to defend a beer run out... is that really economically sensible from the business owner's perspective? They probably would rather have lost the beer (and obviously your life and human life are worth far more than material goods). Or if the person runs into traffic, gets hit, dies, or lives, and he or his family sues the establishment alleging overzealous and/or unfounded reasoning for chasing him into traffic. At the very least court costs will mount up (even if the establishment wins) and you'll be terminated for whatever reason is available.

What I'm thinking reading this is that it should be an advertisement for GOA. Anti-gunners have gone so far that people contemplate throwing hot coffee in someone's face to defend themselves against violence. If that doesn't make people reexamine this ridiculousness I don't know what would.

1. boiling water to the face is the end of any persons ability to shoot.
2. It's not about property, its about disrespect. Anyway, I work with "metals" and "3d modeling"
3. Holding a cup of boiling water in your hand will not even register as a weapon to an armed robber.
4. firing off a weapon in a public area has a chance of hitting innocent bystanders, and often will stop somebody from firing.

 

[kahless]

I am genuinely curious. Are you positing that you have or will have done more in impeding or rolling back, say, the police state in your entire life than Justin Amash has done in eight years?

At the very least he did not contribute to supporting policies that will reverse everything Amash has done on that front. Wake up, Amash spent his career supporting policies that will ensure a future of Democratic socialist victories and growing government. He continues to do so with his statements. This means all he has done in eight years to roll-back the police state means very little and no doubt will be rolled back eventually. Face it, he conned us.

 

[Cleaner44]

Unemployment? lol I'm sure she was heartbroken when her $60 million NBC pay-off, for her role in getting Trump elected, hit. Teleprompter reading whores for hire is all "media" is.



I guess we will see, won't we? Amash knew what the reaction would be. Perhaps he's learned a thing or two about politics in his years on the Hill and is using Trump and the very predictable apoplectic reaction from the Trumpkins to raise his profile? We shall see...

I think its funny that NBC was stupid enough to hire her and now they have to pay her for not working. Unfortunately for Amash, he has no such contract.

We certainly will see what happens with Amash and I suspect there won't be much to see. Most likely he will fade away. Just another lost libertarian voice. Maybe he can get a job wherever the Southern Avenger works.

 

[kahless]

I think its funny that NBC was stupid enough to hire her and now they have to pay her for not working. Unfortunately for Amash, he has no such contract.

We certainly will see what happens with Amash and I suspect there won't be much to see. Most likely he will fade away. Just another lost libertarian voice. Maybe he can get a job wherever the Southern Avenger works.

The Neocons and Never Trumpers in both parties are salivating over the prospect of Amash running third party. His support from that contingent says allot about Amash. If he does they are going to be in for a surprise since he will likely take more votes from Dems than Republicans.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

1. boiling water to the face is the end of any persons ability to shoot.
2. It's not about property, its about disrespect. Anyway, I work with "metals" and "3d modeling"
3. Holding a cup of boiling water in your hand will not even register as a weapon to an armed robber.

They might just blindly shoot in your direction.

All I am saying is that this isn't a movie. Do what you want/need to do to defend yourself, of course, but you're liable to get people killed if it isn't hot enough or by chance doesn't blind the perpetrator.

 

[UWDude]

The Neocons and Never Trumpers in both parties are salivating over the prospect of Amash running third party. His support from that contingent says allot about Amash. If he does they are going to be in for a surprise since he will likely take more votes from Dems than Republicans.

Shhh! Don't tell them!

XD

 

[UWDude]

They might just blindly shoot in your direction.

All I am saying is that this isn't a movie. Do what you want/need to do to defend yourself, of course, but you're liable to get people killed if it isn't hot enough or by chance doesn't blind the perpetrator.

Have you ever been maced? I have, multiple times. Once the mace kicks in, you can pull the trigger, but you aren't hitting anybody. Boiling water is instantaneous, (mace takes about 15 - 20 seconds) and you dont even have to aim, chances of hitting are high.

The drawback is if there are two robbers, 1 cup would not work.

 

[brushfire]

In my mind, both Amash and Rand have demonstrated conviction when it has counted. Their actions speak volumes. Most politicians cave to the whims of the establishment/deep state, promising one thing and doing something completely opposite... Most politicians have been on several sides of every issue, with the current position being the most expedient for their interests (read, no principle)... I see Trump as one of those politicians, with Hillary's indictment being a sole issue to secure my vote for him as president. The guy, plain and simple, is full of sh!t...

Anyhow, I'd rather struggle to find nits to pick with a candidate than redeeming factors and excuses. Flaws and all, Amash and Rand have my support - they're the real deal, they support liberty and are willing to stick their necks out for the cause. If we could get just 25 more politicians of their caliber, things would be a whole lot different.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

At the very least he did not contribute to supporting policies that will reverse everything Amash has done on that front. Wake up, Amash spent his career supporting policies that will ensure a future of Democratic socialist victories and growing government. He continues to do so with his statements. This means all he has done in eight years to roll-back the police state means very little and no doubt will be rolled back eventually. Face it, he conned us.

I wasn't too impressed with the last 150 years, to be completely honest.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

In my mind, both Amash and Rand have demonstrated conviction when it has counted. Their actions speak volumes. Most politicians cave to the whims of the establishment/deep state, promising one thing and doing something completely opposite... Most politicians have been on several sides of every issue, with the current position being the most expedient for their interests (read, no principle)... I see Trump as one of those politicians, with Hillary's indictment being a sole issue to secure my vote for him as president. The guy, plain and simple, is full of sh!t...

Anyhow, I'd rather struggle to find nits to pick with a candidate than redeeming factors and excuses. Flaws and all, Amash and Rand have my support - they're the real deal, they support liberty and are willing to stick their necks out for the cause. If we could get just 25 more politicians of their caliber, things would be a whole lot different.

Let's go ahead and throw Massie in there too.

These are intelligent and capable people who quite probably would command a salary as much or more in the private sector. I feel bad for them, really.

 

[brushfire]

Let's go ahead and throw Massie in there too.

These are intelligent and capable people who quite probably would command a salary as much or more in the private sector. I feel bad for them, really.

You are so right to point him out - his omission from my post was because I was talking to the prior post mentions of both Amash and Rand. In my opinion, Thomas Massie would win statesman of the decade - that guy is truly awesome!

 

[kahless]

You are so right to point him out - his omission from my post was because I was talking to the prior post mentions of both Amash and Rand. In my opinion, Thomas Massie would win statesman of the decade - that guy is truly awesome!

Yes, he gets it, unlike Justin Clinton.

http://www.thomasmassie.com/issues/immigration/
The federal government should strengthen our borders. In the absence of action on the part of our federal government, states should be allowed to defend their international borders.
...
https://massie.house.gov/issues/immigration
I oppose illegal immigration and will work to secure our borders. I will also work to end taxpayer-funded programs for illegal immigrants. American taxpayers should not be forced to pay for illegal immigrants’ welfare, medical care, and other benefits that encourage illegal immigration.

 

[brushfire]

[tangent_alert] The exploitation of the last drowning pic, a man and his daughter, is what has been happening constantly under various administrations (including barack obama).


https://www.google.com/search?q=rio...bs=cdr:1,cd_min:1/1/2005,cd_max:5/1/2019&tbm=

These illegals are fully aware of the risks, and are willing to take them based on the incentives. I'm not sure how many media outlets are pointing out that the congress and the last 3+ administrations are to blame for these deaths - and again, no wall is going to fix the problem.

 

[Anti Globalist]

Have you ever been maced? I have, multiple times. Once the mace kicks in, you can pull the trigger, but you aren't hitting anybody. Boiling water is instantaneous, (mace takes about 15 - 20 seconds) and you dont even have to aim, chances of hitting are high.

The drawback is if there are two robbers, 1 cup would not work.

Then you better make sure you have 2 cups in case you're ever faced with two perpetrators.

 

[kahless]

Food for thought.

 

[brushfire]

Food for thought.

Some more perspective:

https://twitter.com/MattWelch/statu...ustin-amash-wont-be-hurt-by-tariffs-on-china/


I personally know several business owners who have interests in China as part of their manufacturing. Tax, regulation, and health care had put a lot of pressure on employers who are faced with the choice of hiring in the US or abroad. Operating a business is much cheaper in China, for that matter, the same goes for India. There's different approaches to this labor issue, and one requires more government, while the other requires less. One approach has long term benefits, while the other imposes long and short term risks. Trump represents the government approach, while Amash represents the less government approach.

For the sake of argument, if we were to pretend that there was no attack on Trump, do any of Amash's words ring true? Are they inconsistent with his prior actions, and do they offend the cause of liberty? What if we take the partisan politics out of the equation, and then look at things for what they are - is that even possible? To be fair, I dont think many people are capable of this. Trump is the orange obama, complete with fanatic/zealot followers - people simply lose sight of the overall picture.

 

[pcosmar]

Take that bull$#@! back to Israel/palestine where it belongs.

it has been imported here,, and is now funded and supported from here..

and I ain't playing the game.


I have been disarmed by the socialist laws that should not exist and am threatened daily by the armed enforcers of those unjust laws..

But the Socialists ARE pushing for Total Disarmament,,and then enslavement.

I don't have a stockpile,,, and am not even welcome at 2nd amendment marches.. was Banned from THR before I came here..


I am well aware of my realities..

and why I have been Blackballed for employment,,

I ain't playing the stupid game.

Till others step up to set it right,,, I am going to watch it burn.... as I am prohibited and unwelcome.

 

[PAF]

Some more perspective:

https://twitter.com/MattWelch/statu...ustin-amash-wont-be-hurt-by-tariffs-on-china/


I personally know several business owners who have interests in China as part of their manufacturing. Tax, regulation, and health care had put a lot of pressure on employers who are faced with the choice of hiring in the US or abroad. Operating a business is much cheaper in China, for that matter, the same goes for India. There's different approaches to this labor issue, and one requires more government, while the other requires less. One approach has long term benefits, while the other imposes long and short term risks. Trump represents the government approach, while Amash represents the less government approach.

For the sake of argument, if we were to pretend that there was no attack on Trump, do any of Amash's words ring true? Are they inconsistent with his prior actions, and do they offend the cause of liberty? What if we take the partisan politics out of the equation, and then look at things for what they are - is that even possible? To be fair, I don't think many people are capable of this. Trump is the orange obama, complete with fanatic/zealot followers - people simply lose sight of the overall picture.

+ REP

More government involvement ALWAYS leads to more government involvement.

 

[UWDude]

it has been imported here,, and is now funded and supported from here..

and I ain't playing the game.


I have been disarmed by the socialist laws that should not exist and am threatened daily by the armed enforcers of those unjust laws..

But the Socialists ARE pushing for Total Disarmament,,and then enslavement.

I don't have a stockpile,,, and am not even welcome at 2nd amendment marches.. was Banned from THR before I came here..


I am well aware of my realities..

and why I have been Blackballed for employment,,

I ain't playing the stupid game.

Till others step up to set it right,,, I am going to watch it burn.... as I am prohibited and unwelcome.

I almost felt sorry for you.
Then I remembered I learned to code last year, while working full time.

#learntocode

 

[TheTexan]

Ron Paul won despite losing; Amash teaches libertarians simply how to lose by losing.

libertarians were losing long before Amash, and they'll be losing long after he's gone.

I think they invented losing .