Just got this from the campaign

[roversaurus]

Paul needs to look at SPENDING some money.
Hawaii is coming up. He should take his wife on a Hawaiian vacation and spend the next week there. And then spend a million dollars on TV advertising at the same time.

I'm not sending him money so that he can give it to some organization like Campaign for Liberty who's sole purpose in life is to send me emails asking for more money. After the last primary in June he should have ZERO dollars left in the bank.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

^ Costs more money than you think. Romney's campaign spent 18 million in 35 days and are in debt to the tune of a million dollars. We don't have billionaires (except Thiel) funding us and he can only give so much.

 

[pen_thief]

I'm sorry, but I've seen this name pop on a few threads now and I just want to know who he is. Is he influential?

I go out of my way to avoid football and somehow I've still been force-fed the awareness of his existence.
It all started with Rick Perry's nod to him during a presidential debate.
*facepalm*

 

[jointhefightforfreedom]

The Winning Strategy Here
Ron Paul or Really Start the Revolution at the convention
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?365771-THE-WINNING-STRATEGY!

 

[joshnorris14]

That's my main concern:

Let's say the delegates entering August roughly go as:

Romney 900
Santorum 700
Paul 400
Gingrich 200

...Won't Ricky and Mitt work things out on their own and still just forget us for the second vote? Or another "out" for the establishment is if Newt and Mitt collectively add up to 1144, because they could certainly cut deals (Newt is THE biggest sell out ever).

We need to lay the delegate ground so at the very least Newt and Mitt can't combine to 1144. that only leaves Ricky to cut deals with besides us and if he's that close he won't want to just lay it down. Newt is only still in this race so that HE can be king maker in addition to Paul.

I still don't see how we can convince enough delegates to come our way to get Paul to 1144, seeing as much much we are beloved by this party of the overly-religious elderly.

That's not how the delegation process works. Candidates can't tell their bound delegates to vote for anyone. They are bound to that candidate through however many rounds as dictated by state rules. If that candidate drops out they become unbound and can vote for whoever they want. And if voting continues after the first ballot they can begin voting for whoever they want. The candidate himself doesn't control any delegates. The idea is to have Ron Paul supporters as delegates so even if they are bound to Romney, after the first round (or whatever subsequent round) of voting, they can vote for Ron Paul.

Gingrich can't just say "Yea, I'll give you my delegates Romney". Because if he does, his delegates become unbound and can vote for anyone, not just Romney.

 

[eleganz]

F THE QUITTERS


CALIFORNIA IS THE LAST BATTLEGROUND AND WE HAVE THE LARGEST ARMY, HUNGRY FOR FREEDOM.

 

[slacker921]

Gingrich can't just say "Yea, I'll give you my delegates Romney". Because if he does, his delegates become unbound and can vote for anyone, not just Romney.

But if he drops out just prior to the convention then his delegates are unbound. At that point they can vote in the first round for Romney and it's over.

Also remember that 250+ delegates are state party officials who are unbound.. they can vote for anyone in the first round.

I'll go to Tampa if I can.. not with any hopes of Paul winning or getting changes to The Platform that will actually be heeded by anyone, but with hopes of further cementing myself into the structure of the local GOP so I'll be in a better position to help kick the current crop of theocrats and neoconservatives out. When they lose in November we need to be there at the local meetings pointing fingers and telling them that they had their chance and blew it. They will be pushed out, and we need to be there ready to step in.

 

[Adam Kokesh]

This should cheer everyone up: Veterans for Liberty Super PAC has been formed, and is taking donations for the Vets marching on the RNC part of the delegate strategy:
http://ronpaulisthechoiceofthetroops.com
(just redirects to FB page atm, will be splash page later today, full site in a couple days)

 

[Liberty74]

Ten million? Wow... that's a lot of money.

I think $10M is over 90 days. Raising the money can easily be done. It's just gotta be done without me. I refuse to donate because the race is over as I predicted it would be after Super Tuesday and I don't buy this behind the wall stealth delegate game. Even if the convention is brokered, the establishment is not going to let Ron Paul advance there.

I will keep my bumper sticker on. I will still be here. I will still be spreading Ron Paul and his message of real limited government and non-interventionism abroad. The Tea Party is dead as it got co-opted and where it's people have sold out. It's why we need to take over the Indy Party. Start fresh where 30-35% of the voters are at.

 

[Michael1928]

We're in this until the end, and if the GOP won't listen, we will take them hostage.

 

[joshnorris14]

But if he drops out just prior to the convention then his delegates are unbound. At that point they can vote in the first round for Romney and it's over.

Also remember that 250+ delegates are state party officials who are unbound.. they can vote for anyone in the first round.

It's not 250+, it's 119 delegates that are unbound and party officials.

And, right, which is why we want Ron Paul supporters as delegates. Just because they are bound to Gingrich DOES NOT mean they support him. If they are Ron Paul supporting Gingrich delegates, do you think they'll vote for Romney when they become unbound.

 

[Matthew Zak]

I'm feeling burnt out by this process. I have too much of a headache to even make sense of it.

Will someone write a concise, motivational message explaining exactly what our mission is? I feel like I'm covered in blood and woozy after beating my head against the wall for the last 4 years.

I don't mean Tom Woods concise. Or even Adam Kokesh concise.

I mean... could be said in 20 seconds or less. One paragraph.

A mission statement that a child wouldn't have trouble understanding.

 

[sailingaway]

That's my main concern:

Let's say the delegates entering August roughly go as:

Romney 900
Santorum 700
Paul 400
Gingrich 200

...Won't Ricky and Mitt work things out on their own and still just forget us for the second vote? Or another "out" for the establishment is if Newt and Mitt collectively add up to 1144, because they could certainly cut deals (Newt is THE biggest sell out ever).

We need to lay the delegate ground so at the very least Newt and Mitt can't combine to 1144. that only leaves Ricky to cut deals with besides us and if he's that close he won't want to just lay it down. Newt is only still in this race so that HE can be king maker in addition to Paul.

I still don't see how we can convince enough delegates to come our way to get Paul to 1144, seeing as much much we are beloved by this party of the overly-religious elderly.

You're assuming Rick's delegates want to vote for Romney, assuming their deal goes that way, or vice versa. Remember, bound on the first vote doesn't mean 'bound to do whatever the candidate says', it means bound to vote for that candidate on the first vote. If they want you to vote for anyone else, they have to unbind you.

I'm not trying to say a win under the situation you describe is likely. But it is theoretically possible, even with a deal between others, so long as no one gets enough bound delegates to take the nomination on the first vote.

 

[Feelgood]

I got a letter like this back in 08 ... Not to throw cold water on the situation, but not long after I sent a check, he dropped out of the race.

Sending another check NOW, and hoping we don't have a repeat.

Honestly, I have had a sickening similar feeling myself. Like Ron has already either written, gone over in his head, or already recorded his dropping out video. Last time I thought he was serious about going to the convention, all the way. Instead at the last moment, BOOM its all over. Every day I keep waiting for that damn hammer to fall.

 

[jbuttell]

Right. This should please our lovely resident "realists".

Ahh, you mean those self-righteous people who claim to have it all figured out? The ones that live in the "real" world?

 

[Revolution9]

I think $10M is over 90 days. Raising the money can easily be done. It's just gotta be done without me. I refuse to donate because the race is over as I predicted it would be after Super Tuesday and I don't buy this behind the wall stealth delegate game. Even if the convention is brokered, the establishment is not going to let Ron Paul advance there.

I will keep my bumper sticker on. I will still be here.

Yeah?? Well keep your shitcan attitude out of any of your further diatribes. Loser.

rev9

 

[Revolution9]

Ahh, you mean those self-righteous people who claim to have it all figured out? The ones that live in the "real" world?

No self righteous poseur. Those folks who understand this ain't about soundbytes and rah rah siss boom bah we won that state nyah nyah nyah nayh nyah have a proper perspective on the long term runout of events and paradigm shifts.. If you think the real world is what is occurring on the MSM and the daily rag of your choice then you are the delusional one. The French Revolution's impact is not over even to this day...nor the American Revolution whose effects you witness in this campaign. Goddamned short sighted braincans can certainly marvel at their own pragmatism whilst those with experience at life just look at them as pessimists who always get what they want due to their POV. I don't subscribe to your miasma nor sub-stances and yer attempt at gossipmongering and name spewing certainly paints you as the self righteous dipshit here and not the folks putting their hearts, souls and monies into this effort.

Report me.


Rev9

 

[Xhin]

A mission statement that a child wouldn't have trouble understanding.

To protect and restore personal and economic liberty at any cost.

 

[economics102]

Onward! We have it easy compared to those that stood with Washington at Valley Forge in the freezing cold with inadequate attire. Invest in liberty now while the money still has some purchasing power left.

++++++ rep

 

[digitaldean]

Look at polls for your state and become delegates for the people in first place like Santorum/Newt/Mitt. Then on the 2nd or 3rd vote in FL switch to Paul since being a Paul delegate might not even get you picked. Are people doing this? I would like to see Paul get 500 delegates on the first count, then 900 on the 2nd count, then the nomination on the 3rd. That would really shock the world lol