Just got off the phone with HQ

[loupeznik]

I agree with the campaign on this. We need to use our effort an money to GOTV. We need to win and stop crying about loosing.

 

[justatrey]

I was just looking at the ChipIn site for a recount. If HQ will not cooperate I want to contribute to doing it ourselves, but it sounds to me like only candidates themselves can apply for a recount:

New Hampshire Election Statutes
State or Presidential Primary Recounts
660:7 Application. Any person for whom a vote was cast for any nomination of any party at a state or presidential primary may apply for a recount.

Am I missing something? How can grassroots do this without Paul (or Obama) applying?

If someone can confirm that we can actually do this without the help of the official campaigns/candidates, I'll chip in.

 

[dawnbt]

I agree with the campaign! Let the grassroots handle it!

Donate to the grannies at www.dailypaul.com

+1

 

[Spideynw]

I was just looking at the ChipIn site for a recount. If HQ will not cooperate I want to contribute to doing it ourselves, but it sounds to me like only candidates themselves can apply for a recount:

New Hampshire Election Statutes
State or Presidential Primary Recounts
660:7 Application. Any person for whom a vote was cast for any nomination of any party at a state or presidential primary may apply for a recount.

Am I missing something? How can grassroots do this without Paul (or Obama) applying?

If someone can confirm that we can actually do this without the help of the official campaigns/candidates, I'll chip in.

Link to reference?

 

[dawnbt]

The extra 31 votes won't get us anywhere, though it should be fought on principle. Would it be worth the hassle?

It's not just the 31 votes. It is also the huge inconsistancy between hand counted ballots and voting machines.

 

[LiberalDemForRP]

Link to reference?

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/RSA/html/NHTOC/NHTOC-LXIII-660.htm

 

[justatrey]

Link to reference?

Its also on the Chip In Site:

http://grannywarrior.chipin.com/recount-

This isn't surprising. It doesn't make sense that anyone willing to put up $65,000 can force the whole state to go through a recount.

 

[Sandra]

The voting was not "fixed". It was simply human error. Get over it.

Link to reference?

 

[Spideynw]

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/RSA/html/NHTOC/NHTOC-LXIII-660.htm

I think you are right. Page 154 of the "New Hampshire Election Procedure Manual: 2006 - 2007" only refers to a candidate doing a recount. http://www.sos.nh.gov/FINAL EPM 8-30-2006.pdf

 

[Spideynw]

Link to reference?

No reference. It is just obvious.

 

[peruvianRP]

I don't think asking for recount will help much.

We need to concentrate in the next states.

 

[Ziparumpazoo]

Anyone who thinks there is no such thing as vote fraud is delusional. Do some research before you start bashing other people on this. That said, the ones ultimately behind large-scale vote fraud are the same ones behind media manipulation, and don't think for a minute that they wouldn't LOVE to have us cause a scene and give them fodder to bash Ron Paul. There are better ways to fight this.

 

[noztnac]

True, poetic and inspiring...

Have you thought about writing speeches for Dr. Paul?!??!

I've actually sent a bunch of ideas dating way back and they have used a bunch of them.
When I hear my ideas being used I always wonder if it was me or a bunch of other people recommending the same thing. It would be nice if they'd send me a little note saying thanks if indeed I was the source. But anyway, I just want him to win.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

I've actually sent a bunch of ideas dating way back and they have used a bunch of them.
When I hear my ideas being used I always wonder if it was me or a bunch of other people recommending the same thing. It would be nice if they'd send me a little note saying thanks if indeed I was the source. But anyway, I just want him to win.

Then well done indeed!

 

[Ball]

I don't think a recount is necessary. We didn't win. It is that simple. Get over it. We don't need to look like sore losers. Nobody likes a sore loser.

If you want to be winners, we have to start acting like it. Do you guys know how winners act? I'll tell you. Winners work hard in their neighborhoods. They talk to their family members about their core beliefs and try to convert anyone who will listen. They go door to door. Winners donate to the national campaign and the grassroots. Winners do not whine even when they feel cheated. Winners suck it up, stand up straight, and focus ALL of their efforts on the goal. Talking of a recount is just a distraction and a waste of time. Do you think the American people care if we got 15% or 8%. NO. Whether we are 5th or 3rd is irrelevant. We lost. Stop acting like whining children. I love you guys, really... but you are pissing me off.

Here is what I know about elections. Hacking these voting machines would take a coordinated effort involving many people. If lots of people were involved in some grand conspiracy like this, then somebody would probably get nervous and spill the beans. Small conspiracies on a city or county level could work, but grand conspiracies on a state or national level have to involve too many people. Someone would get drunk and brag to a friend at a bar. Some husband would have to tell his wife. Some boyfriend would break up with his girlfriend and she would expose him to take revenge. Somebody would talk. This is why conspiracies don't work. Please regain your composure. The tin foil hat image has done enough damage to the campaign. Focus all efforts on winning South Carolina, Michigan, and Nevada NOW.

Lets raise some money. Lets get out there and try to WIN this thing. When we get a clear majority at the ballot box, say 40% or 50% or more, then there will be no doubt that we are winning. We have to get our numbers up. At that point, we will see that the establishment will be unable to rig the vote count. Right now we are not even a blip on the radar so a recount will make us look like kooks.

+1

We have to learn from our mistakes. I canvassed for nearly a month in NH, and I came to understand that they expect everything to be spoon-fed to them. This is why everyone is undecided until the last day. The NH primary was lost in that last week of pitiful ads and lack of numbers at the polling precincts. Also, the other candidates had people at the polls well after the voting finished to make sure the numbers didn't get lost.

We need to learn, adapt, and move on.

 

[Molly1]

+1

We have to learn from our mistakes. I canvassed for nearly a month in NH, and I came to understand that they expect everything to be spoon-fed to them. This is why everyone is undecided until the last day. The NH primary was lost in that last week of pitiful ads and lack of numbers at the polling precincts. Also, the other candidates had people at the polls well after the voting finished to make sure the numbers didn't get lost.

We need to learn, adapt, and move on.

What do you mean had people at the polls well after the voting finished to make sure the numbers didn't get lost?

get Lost where? lol

sheesh I can't stand this.

I agree on the pitiful ads. I called and complained, that's all I could do from here.

They need to get professional marketing that will sell the message.

I just learned yesterday that Ron Paul wants to pardon all those in jail for non violent drug crimes. Any idea how popular that would be? Wildly popular! But, I never heard it before.

 

[Ball]

I agree on the pitiful ads. I called and complained, that's all I could do from here.

They need to get professional marketing that will sell the message.

I don't want to get too far on a tangent here, but I don't think "professional marketing" would help at all.

John McCain had a VERY effective ad where he spoke directly to the American people. The production quality was low, but it was convincing and effective. Ron needs to do this! He sells himself better than any narrator or transition effect can.

Any interview where he's allowed to speak becomes an instant epic. His best video to date is his exploratory committee one. Just let him speak for 30 minutes on a particular issue, repeat for other issues, and get it on the air.

We already know we have the best candidate, so line them all up and let's prove it!

 

[Molly1]

I don't want to get too far on a tangent here, but I don't think "professional marketing" would help at all.

John McCain had a VERY effective ad where he spoke directly to the American people. The production quality was low, but it was convincing and effective. Ron needs to do this! He sells himself better than any narrator or transition effect can.

Any interview where he's allowed to speak becomes an instant epic. His best video to date is his exploratory committee one. Just let him speak for 30 minutes on a particular issue, repeat for other issues, and get it on the air.

We already know we have the best candidate, so line them all up and let's prove it!

You don't think the mccain ad was professionally done? Of course it was. It was made to look the way it looked on purpose.

That said, I told them any random ad on youtube done by their very talented supporters would be better than the nonsense they were showing. They were targeting the wrong market as well with their ad!

I agree. Just let him speak. He's a great speaker.

But, clearly, somebody has to handle the marketing campaign who knows what they are doing.

 

[dc74rp]

Ball

Any interview where he's allowed to speak becomes an instant epic. His best video to date is his exploratory committee one. Just let him speak for 30 minutes on a particular issue, repeat for other issues, and get it on the air.

I totally agree...... he just sat in front of a fireplace and promoted liberty for about 8 minutes. Though I think it might be a bit long for a regular commercial, I haven't seen any "ad" that I like better.

I say forget the policy positions...... Educate people on Liberty, Natural Rights, Rule of Law, Constitutional Government, Economics, and Monetary Policy. It's because I agree with his philosophical vision more than any other candidate that I've registered to vote for the first time, and I'm old enough to have voted in more than a few Presidential elections. I'm not a fan of Objectivism, but I do believe in Natural Rights. No candidate has spoke on these matters like Paul that I've had the chance to vote for.

I don't like candidates trying to sell themselves by offering policy positions. They're like salesmen. But the reason the Presidential Exploratory Commitee video is so good is it doesn't come off as about selling a candidate. It's about selling a philosophy. And if you buy most of his philosophical positions, then differences in policy are less important disagreements. The reason to vote for Paul, and not the rest, becomes obvious. And if they want to challenge Paul's philosophy, then they are challenging the foundations of this great country. To be against Liberty and Natural Rights is un-American.

The policy positions don't accurately tell voters what Paul stands for. People might agree with alot of his policies, but just as much agree with as many policies of the other candidates. But no other candidate has a philosophy that I think compares.