Just got a response from my local (San Diego) FOX Affiliate

[louisiana4liberty]

Locals affiliates need to be accountable for the associations they keep.
A boycott hurts lots of innocent parties. Just don't forget this is for the greater good.

 

[syborius]

wrong

I'd recommend not pissing off the local broadcast stations, as they are our best chance to get coverage and have absolutely nothing to do with Fox News or the decision to exclude Ron Paul from the forum.

Of course, you're free to shit where you sleep if you want...

I disagree. The affiliates are connected, they dip their hands into the same honey pot, same sponsors in some cases, advertisers. Your argument is base less. It's like saying you don't have anything to do with the ron paul campaign, yet you are on these boards, talking, campaigning, and doing your thing.

Raising hell with affiliates, with affiliates losing sponsors, boycotting those sponsors nationally will eventually have a huge cumulative impact on nws/fox.

 

[rfbz]

let's not forget about that one member of the forum here who complained to the affiliate, and the affiliate decided to make a story out of it, they went to his house! That is great. I think we should keep voicing our concerns but be respectful because you might actually get some press out of it.

 

[Spirit of '76]

I disagree. The affiliates are connected, they dip their hands into the same honey pot, same sponsors in some cases, advertisers. Your argument is base less. It's like saying you don't have anything to do with the ron paul campaign, yet you are on these boards, talking, campaigning, and doing your thing.

Raising hell with affiliates, with affiliates losing sponsors, boycotting those sponsors nationally will eventually have a huge cumulative impact on nws/fox.

My argument is not "base less" [sic] in any regard. You just don't understand it, apparently.

Boycott all you want. Let local affiliates know that you are boycotting their parent network all you want, and make sure they know why.

At the same time, you need to understand that these same local affiliates provide us the greatest opportunity for airtime out of any MSM avenues. So whatever you do involving them, do it politely. Be reasonable. Explain yourself without being unnecessarily antagonistic.

There's a right way and a wrong way to go about this.

Right way:

Dear Sir,

I am a member of a local Ron Paul for President meetup group. Because of your parent network's decision to exclude Congressman Paul from the upcoming Republican candidate's forum in New Hampshire, despite the fact that he is the top Republican fundraiser this quarter and is polling higher than Fred Thompson, who was invited, meetup groups like ours are organizing a nationwide boycott of Fox's sponsors.

We understand that your station was not involved in the decision to exclude Congressman Paul from the forum, but you should be aware that our boycott could extend to local sponsors of Fox affiliates and could potentially impact your advertising revenue.

We would very much appreciate your thoughts on this matter and any assistance you can provide with encouraging your parent network to include Congressman Paul in the forum. We would also be more than happy to discuss this exclusion and the activities surrounding it in an interview with your news desk, should you wish to air a segment on this breaking story.

Thank you for your consideration and understanding.

Most sincerely,
J. Q. Public

Wrong way:

You bastards at Fox should be ashamed of yourselves! You think you can't keep Ron Paul from being president by keeping him out of the debates? Well, the jokes on you! We're gonna boycott your asses. See how you like it when your advertisers cut you off.

Feel the power of the Revolution! You old media jerks are going down!

Do things the right way, and you're likely to get an interview and some decent coverage. Do things the wrong way, and you'll either be ignored, or their going to slam you or (more likely) Ron Paul on the air, and you'll have no one to blame but yourself.

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: We mustn't let people walk all over us, but this movement could use a little less whoop-ass and a little more Machiavelli.

 

[RickNHouston]

Proposed 30 day Worldwide Boycott of NewsCorp sponsors

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To Arms ! To Arms ! The Neo-Cons are coming !
I would like to get some feedback to the following ... it has become painfully clear that the Rupert Murdochs of this country have no intention of allowing a Ron Paul victory take place. I am convinced that the only way to get peoples attention to these kinds of attempts to manipulate our bodies and our minds is to hurt them at their "Acheilles Heel" ... translation ... their bank account. Just like Don Imus was forced off the air by an angry public attacking the corporate beauracracy at the "bank account level (* i.e. their source of income, or sponsors and advertisers)

We, the grassroots are the ones being harmed by the decisions they are making and forcing us to swallow! We are the ones they are trying to force feed and brainwash with their bitter gruel of "we know whats best for you, little sheep"! We are the ones who will ultimately pay the price for non-resistance! We are the ones who will become enslaved to their every whim.

I say No! If common, ordinary, working class people can come together to raise 19.5 million dollars, from our own pockets, in support of a man and his philosophy for freedom, liberty and peace .... then by God we sure as hell ought to be able to organize our fellow grassrooters around the globe in the very same way to accomplish this.

Advise your sponsors that the worldwide grassroots network of Ron Paul supporters, in retaliation, for your immoral, unreasonable and disrespectful treatment of the democratic system of fair unbiased elections as well as your attempts to manipulate the American voting public, will organize a 30 day boycott of each and every product manufactured and/or marketed by them, the world over! To begin 02/01/2008 and run thru 3/3/2008.

Can you imagine what a full thirty day los of sales by us, collectively, can produce in the form of sweat beads, wringing hands, firings and what ever else the Ruperts of the world would have to do to cover for it ...?

Somebody tell me something, what's the consensus ! C'mon ...Im mad as helll and it doesn't matter anymore. If we just lay here they'll keep on gang raping us till we're dead anyway!

 

[RickNHouston]

Who needs Fox News and thier fascist swine commentators ... In my opinion RP gets more milage snubbing them from here on out ... cuz they will be the losers then!

 

[RickNHouston]

Right way:

Quote:
Dear Sir,

I am a member of a local Ron Paul for President meetup group. Because of your parent network's decision to exclude Congressman Paul from the upcoming Republican candidate's forum in New Hampshire, despite the fact that he is the top Republican fundraiser this quarter and is polling higher than Fred Thompson, who was invited, meetup groups like ours are organizing a nationwide boycott of Fox's sponsors.

We understand that your station was not involved in the decision to exclude Congressman Paul from the forum, but you should be aware that our boycott could extend to local sponsors of Fox affiliates and could potentially impact your advertising revenue.

We would very much appreciate your thoughts on this matter and any assistance you can provide with encouraging your parent network to include Congressman Paul in the forum. We would also be more than happy to discuss this exclusion and the activities surrounding it in an interview with your news desk, should you wish to air a segment on this breaking story.

Thank you for your consideration and understanding.

Most sincerely,
J. Q. Public


This is a Panty Waist version!

 

[Spirit of '76]

This is a Panty Waist version!

It's an effective version. If you insist on being an imbecile, don't attach Ron Paul's name to it.

Everyone meet "RickNHouston", another damned n00bie acting like an ass, trying to provoke us into acting like idiots in public, and basically dragging up the same idiocy we thought we'd dealt with months ago.

Ignore this tool...

 

[VIDEODROME]

I'm not thrilled about the idea of boycotting but I'd suggest a compromise.

My main problem is with the targeting of local affiliates because I don't like to see local businesses hurt by this especially since they have nothing to do with it. So what I suggest is only targeting the national advertisers that appear during FOX Primetime because those are the shows coming from FOX network. Aside from Primetime there are also Nascar, Football, and Baseball sports programming that originates from FOX. Again I'd say only target the national sponsors appearing in these sports shows.

Aside from that I'd suggest ignoring the advertisers appearing in daytime syndication shows or your affiliates own local news show or late night movies that don't come from FOX.

 

[mexicanpizza]

All I can say is I wrote that original email expecting the worst, and was pleasantly surprised when the guy proposed to GIVE RON PAUL AIRTIME IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. I offered to put him in touch with our meetup, but he already has been in contact with them about our mini-blimp.

Keep it positive guys. A boycott is too slow and leads to nothing that helps Ron Paul. Boycott the FNC, but be nice to your local stations.

 

[syborius]

My argument is not "base less" [sic] in any regard. You just don't understand it, apparently.

Boycott all you want. Let local affiliates know that you are boycotting their parent network all you want, and make sure they know why.

At the same time, you need to understand that these same local affiliates provide us the greatest opportunity for airtime out of any MSM avenues. So whatever you do involving them, do it politely. Be reasonable. Explain yourself without being unnecessarily antagonistic.

There's a right way and a wrong way to go about this.

Right way:



Wrong way:



Do things the right way, and you're likely to get an interview and some decent coverage. Do things the wrong way, and you'll either be ignored, or their going to slam you or (more likely) Ron Paul on the air, and you'll have no one to blame but yourself.

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: We mustn't let people walk all over us, but this movement could use a little less whoop-ass and a little more Machiavelli.

I think the perfect example was how the grassroots got RP on the show with glenn beck for an hour. It would not have happened without bombarding him with emails, faxes, not to mention getting one sponsor to pull out. We got rewarded for that, with an incredible ass-kissing RP interview.

Your argument that fox affiliates have zero to do with Fox is baseless because you fail to understand the impact it has when local people go after local advertisers/sponsors with local affiliates. When this happens nationally we wake up the sleeping giant. You forget that we are being ousted from a nationally televised event, not some small time local station. Stop worrying about offending the local affiliates sensibilities when we are aiming to get RON PAUL back on with the forum.
You attack the nervous system of a beast when you can't grab the horns, and that is what I am advocating here ; ) But you are definitely correct in the approach, be polite, state the reasons, and tell them you are boycotting the sponsors as well, and let the sponsors know that too.

 

[Dave Pedersen]

If they have FOX in their name or associated with FOX or affiliated with FOX they must feel the pain.

FOX has shown they are LIARS and ENEMIES of our nation. FOX affiliates are exactly that.

They must therefore feel our wrath.

 

[DealzOnWheelz]

We most definitely need to hit local sponsers by calling them and informing them of what the money they pay in ads goes to(playing with the democratic process) most will pull their ads willingly

but in addition to them pulling ads if they never heard of Ron Paul it will give him name recognition and give you oppurtunities to pitch RP

 

[Johncjackson]

What I don't understand is why some geniuses here decided that Fox News Channel and local Fox stations were the same thing.

I wouldn't boycott my local ABC for something ESPN did.

As this proves in a way, the local stations can be your best friend. If you approach it the right way.

 

[Spirit of '76]

Your argument that fox affiliates have zero to do with Fox is baseless because you fail to understand the impact it has when local people go after local advertisers/sponsors with local affiliates. When this happens nationally we wake up the sleeping giant. You forget that we are being ousted from a nationally televised event, not some small time local station. Stop worrying about offending the local affiliates sensibilities when we are aiming to get RON PAUL back on with the forum.
You attack the nervous system of a beast when you can't grab the horns, and that is what I am advocating here ; ) But you are definitely correct in the approach, be polite, state the reasons, and tell them you are boycotting the sponsors as well, and let the sponsors know that too.

I never said that the affiliates have "zero to do with Fox", I said they had zero to do with Fox News' decision to exclude Ron from the forum.

Then I went on to provide an example of how we can make them aware of the impact their parent network's decisions can have on their advertising revenue while still maintaining the sort of polite dialogue that can gain us local airtime and potentially urge them to pressure Fox News to include Paul in the forum.

I don't see that there's a disagreement here between you and me, as long as you're not advocating that we call them nasty names and act like rubes, as some here would have us do. Because experience has shown that that just plain doesn't work.

 

[ChooseLiberty]

I know it's hard to keep track of all the posts here, but I put a link to the list of FOX-owned stations in the sticky.

http://www.mediaowners.com/company/foxtv.html

"Fox Television Stations is owned by News Corporation.

Jack Abernethy is the CEO of Fox Television Stations.

Fox Television is a group of 35 television stations in 26 markets throughout the United States owned and operated by the Fox Broadcasting Company, which is owned by News Corporation, the company built by Rupert Murdoch.

Together, the Fox television stations reach about 45% of the population of the USA.

Fox Television Stations Group, or FTSG, is one of the largest owned-and-operated network groups in the United States. It was formed in April 1986 from a collection of former Metromedia-owned TV stations."


Also - the Fox News cable channel has both national AND LOCAL advertisers so we can definitely work on local advertisers.

 

[WebFX]

let's not forget about that one member of the forum here who complained to the affiliate, and the affiliate decided to make a story out of it, they went to his house! That is great. I think we should keep voicing our concerns but be respectful because you might actually get some press out of it.

+1

You attack the nervous system of a beast when you can't grab the horns, and that is what I am advocating here ; )

LOL

Yes brilliant



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