Just elected to Student Senate: Smoking Ban: Yes, limited, or no?

[specsaregood]

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[t0rnado]

Is it is a public or private university? In a libertarian society, public property would not exist, so that is one solution to the problem morally.

You're not in any position to do anything about the ban anyways though.

 

[VIDEODROME]

Smoking is an offensive act though.

Should we be forced to accept the act of people if they purposely rip new ones in the middle of important meetings?

I'm not advocating we fine/jail/etc people who do violate rules or that rules even be created, but there's nothing wrong with encouraging people use comfortable areas for the courtesy of others who do not appreciate the smell.

Truly there are designated areas even for eating lunch. Or taking a shit. Is this restricting free speech or just bodily functions?

 

[Romulus]

How about just moving the ash trays all the way out in the parking lot. lol

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

It should be banned at university. At mine, I always have to trail behind smokers on the sidewalks, or walk through smoke entering a building, it's annoying and not only that, it can cause cancer. You wouldn't let someone sprinkle rat poison on your lunch, why would you let them do the same to your air?

 

[NYgs23]

When are they going to ban people from playing loud, annoying music from their cars, on buses, and everywhere else? I don't mind tobacco smoke, but I hate having to listen to other peoples' music. So perhaps they should ban that!

 

[Schmitto2121]

Jeeze, I had no idea there were so many statists around...

 

[virgil47]

Smoking is an offensive act though.

Should we be forced to accept the act of people if they purposely rip new ones in the middle of important meetings?

I'm not advocating we fine/jail/etc people who do violate rules or that rules even be created, but there's nothing wrong with encouraging people use comfortable areas for the courtesy of others who do not appreciate the smell.

Being forced to breath perfume, exhaust and such are also offensive acts and they smell bad. Perhaps we should simply ban any behaviour that can give offense to any other person. Now wouldn't that be a wonderful world?

 

[virgil47]

Well you already ruled out the option I'd support, campus wide ban. If they want to smoke, they can go off campus. I'm sick of smokers thinking have the right to pollute the air and cause harm to me through their second hand smoke. If they want to give themselves lung cancer, fine, but they should have to go in an out of the way place to do so and not affect anyone who doesn't want to breath that crap.

So since you ruled out that, I vote for whichever the strictest ban is you'd support.

The right to breath clean air is more important than someone's right to smoke. They aren't directly harmed by being unable to harm others with their smoke, while others are harmed by their smoking.

I must agree but are you willing to give up perfume, driving an automobile, burning leaves and any other thing that "could" offend someone else?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Make sure and ban perfume, too, while you're at it. I'm allergic.

My parents jumped through so many hoops trying to avoid exposing me to second hand cigarette smoke when I was a kid due to my asthma and allergies.. only to result in me picking up cigarette smoking (1-2 cigs/day) in college.

Honestly, the perfume girls wore in class growing up my whole life was a way bigger pain in the ass for my allergies than any second hand smoke.

If you don't like second hand smoke, and you see somebody smoking a cigarette, there is nothing stopping you from staying away from them. If there are many, and the smoke is blowing around, and you get a whiff, who cares??

People make way too big of a deal about this issue, just suck it up, if you don't like it, don't walk near them.

This^^ Perfume was always much worse for me than cigs (and still is). Smoking was allowed when I was in school, and there were never any problems. In fact, smokers went out of their way to use the ashtrays since they were everywhere and blew their smoke away from other people.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I must agree but are you willing to give up perfume, driving an automobile, burning leaves and any other thing that "could" offend someone else?

Or fireplaces and smokestacks or barbecues, for that matter!

I'm allergic to mesquite wood smoke-therefore it must be illegal to use it in your fireplace! /sarcasm

 

[AGRP]

How about just moving the ash trays all the way out in the parking lot. lol

That's what I'm getting at. Just create a comfortable area away from heavily populated areas and they can even be labeled "smoking area." Most smokers will naturally go there. No need for rules.

 

[Jim Casey]

Forces.org has a lot of good pro-smoking information.

 

[VIDEODROME]

Okay this is just concerning this one property right? Not other people's property?

Shouldn't they have plenty of leeway in setting standards for something simple like this? But oh no people freakout thinking it's infringing on people rights and start yelling Statist.

It seems like some people are making this debate into something bigger then it really is.

 

[Dr.3D]

Being forced to breath perfume, exhaust and such are also offensive acts and they smell bad. Perhaps we should simply ban any behaviour that can give offense to any other person. Now wouldn't that be a wonderful world?

Ain't democracy a wonderful thing? As long as the majority doesn't like something, then it will be banned. How would these same people feel if the majority smoked? (Oh yeah.... it was sort of that way back in the '50s. A lot more people smoked back then.)

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

Just pick up chewing and spit all over the place.

 

[Dr.3D]

Just pick up chewing and spit all over the place.

We had a guy doing that in the shop where I worked. They finally made him hang a box of cat litter under his chin so he could spit in that.

 

[specsaregood]

How about just moving the ash trays all the way out in the parking lot. lol

On a lot of school campuses you can't smoke in your car either.

 

[Johnnymac]

Wow, people sure are getting full of the shit being propagandized by the media about second hand smoke. It's almost like the movie, Reefer Madness.

When I went to college, we could put an ash tray on the desk and smoke. What the heck is happening to society? Who the heck is pushing this anti smoking propaganda?

I must agree but are you willing to give up perfume, driving an automobile, burning leaves and any other thing that "could" offend someone else?

to the first one, I don't care if people smoke, if they want to inhale that bullshit to calm there senses or whatever so be it, if we were still way back in the day where cigarettes were not polluted chemicals and additives, i wouldn't care about the 2nd hand. nowadays where cigarettes are polluted with that bullshit one person is okay but a bunch of people smoking in one area is too much and no one wants it which is why people are pushing for restrictions and bans.

to the second, perfume?, burning leaves?, cars do give off carbon monoxide like cigarettes do but not nearly as much as they used to back in the day. but still all this talk about oh if you want some to give up smoking you should give up perfume and ....burning leaves? now if you want to smoke so be it but it should not be all in one place and if you want to smoke it should be in a place that is away from the general public, so they are not hurt by the effects of carbon monoxide.

 

[Romulus]

On a lot of school campuses you can't smoke in your car either.

That's pretty ridiculous. Your car is your own property.