Junk Silver vs Bullion

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I recently decided to invest all my savings into silver. I was then faced with the decision between bullion or junk silver.

After careful consideration I bought a little bit of both but would ultimately like to stick with one or the other in the future.

Does anyone have any concrete advice on the matter? Right now i've got some bars and a bunch of Kennedy half dollars (some I bought and some I already had).

Would it be wise to trade in one for the other, or stick with both? I'm pretty new to investing in physical silver so I would love any input.

Thanks.
 
I buy both. Some say junk Ag so that you are not breaking pieces off of the larger bullion when the collapse comes (which is why I buy junk Ag). I buy the bullion for the quantity and it is easier to keep track of.

My 2 cents
 
I recently decided to invest all my savings into silver. I was then faced with the decision between bullion or junk silver.

After careful consideration I bought a little bit of both but would ultimately like to stick with one or the other in the future.

I would rethink that. My concrete advice (consider it my opinion) is to diversify, at least some.

I think the decision between junk silver and bullion depends on 1 - what bullion (how easily is it identified or assayed?) and 2 - how much portability matters to you.

If you need to jump in the car and leave, junk silver weighs a lot more, takes more space, and more time to screw with. However, it will likely be easily recognized for quite some time and people may readily accept it for silver content without being metal experts.

Either way, if it were me, I would at least throw some gold in the mix for the extreme difference in portability. No matter what happens, you can always trade it for silver later.

If I had to get the fuck out of town the heaviest things I want to carry are gasoline and water.
 
I would rethink that. My concrete advice (consider it my opinion) is to diversify, at least some.

I think the decision between junk silver and bullion depends on 1 - what bullion (how easily is it identified or assayed?) and 2 - how much portability matters to you.

If you need to jump in the car and leave, junk silver weighs a lot more, takes more space, and more time to screw with. However, it will likely be easily recognized for quite some time and people may readily accept it for silver content without being metal experts.

Either way, if it were me, I would at least throw some gold in the mix for the extreme difference in portability. No matter what happens, you can always trade it for silver later.

If I had to get the fuck out of town the heaviest things I want to carry are gasoline and water.

I would be all for diversifying if I didn't think silver was one of the safest bets around, and I would include gold with my bulk silver purchases except I feel like silver may end up being the safer bet (and trying to barter with 1Oz Gold would be near impossible imo). I like having the junk because if the collapse comes it will hold a lot of value and be much easier to trade, but I also tend to think the collapse will not be the anarchy most people think it will AT FIRST.

I tend to think the government will enact more and more laws and regulations to keep the currency afloat and that's when Silver will hit 400-500$ an OZ.

I think i'll keep buying both but I want to hear your guys input because I know a lot of you have been doing this much longer than I have.

What I would do to go back 12 years and stock up... on the other hand I still don't think the upward trend is close to finished and in 12 years I don't want to be saying the same thing all over again with Silver is 200$
 
We bought mostly junk silver for trading in the event shtf. When we bought, silver was around 9.50 an ounce so we're pretty happy about that. We've also invested in items for barter such as hygiene products, liquor, and so on.

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unless you can get a pretty sizable amount of silver id get silver eagles instead of bars and 90% junk silver instead of stuff like 40% coins, also i would get at least some gld. just my opinion but i dont see any reason to hold 40% coins if you have them for metal value. i dont know of any reason why a kennedy half would be better but i havent put too much thought into it. id also continue getting .999 and 90% coins instead of sticking with one over the other.
 
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^That leads me to another question... are all pre-1965 coins 90% silver or only some of them? Which coins only have 40%?

Honestly it doesn't bother me too much because I look at it like silver is silver and if it's only 40% then it's going to be much cheaper than 90% but I really would like to know which coins have which just incase my mindset changes or a dealer tries to sell my 40percenters for a 90% price.
 
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^That leads me to another question... are all pre-1965 coins 90% silver or only some of them? Which coins only have 40%?

Honestly it doesn't bother me too much because I look at it like silver is silver and if it's only 40% then it's going to be much cheaper than 90% but I really would like to know which coins have which just incase my mindset changes or a dealer tries to sell my 40percenters for a 90% price.

This is my problem with junk silver.. people just don't know its value anymore..

If shtf, you really think people are going to want to check dates on 100 of coins during barter?
I wont, I will tell you to come back with .999 or better if you want my goods.

I went with 1oz silver maples and 1oz name recognized bullion for when SHTF.
 
"Investing" all of your savings in silver is an absolutely terrible idea. Especially at these current prices. I don't know your financial situation. If you share some more info on your income/savings rate/assets I can help you come up with a better idea.

As a general rule of thumb, I wouldn't put more than 10% of your total net worth into gold/silver. Your first priority should be an emergency savings in cash. Next priority, make sure you are contributing to tax advantaged accounts and putting the money into funds that reflect your current age and risk tolerance. I suggest you do some serious research into personal finance before making this decision.
 
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This is my problem with junk silver.. people just don't know its value anymore..

If shtf, you really think people are going to want to check dates on 100 of coins during barter?
I wont, I will tell you to come back with .999 or better if you want my goods.

I went with 1oz silver maples and 1oz name recognized bullion for when SHTF.

This was my rationale as well. I do the same. Maples, Eagles, Libertads, Philharmonics, Brittanias, and Buffalo Rounds are what I buy.
 
This is my problem with junk silver.. people just don't know its value anymore..

If shtf, you really think people are going to want to check dates on 100 of coins during barter?
I wont, I will tell you to come back with .999 or better if you want my goods.

I went with 1oz silver maples and 1oz name recognized bullion for when SHTF.


They'd learn pretty fast. Some might even trade a sliver coin for an easy to read list. Besides, when these events happen, "money changers" start popping up.
 
So, in this thread, we have talk about when and if the SHTF, and one wise person who says the collapse won't be an overnight phenomenon, and talk about whether bullion or junk silver will be more easily traded.

Well, I say junk silver has two big advantages--the nickel means they wear a lot less in, say, your pocket, or in the car as you travel with it. Silver is soft, nickel toughens it up. The other thing is, American old coins are well known, and it is common knowledge that any dime, quarter, half or silver dollar minted in 1964 or earlier is guaranteed 90% silver.

When the Fed note does go completely, one of two things will happen. The S will HTF, or we'll cough up a bunch of silver and teach people how to use it. That way, we soften the blow, we manage to foil the banksters' plans to get rich creating a replacement for the dollar, and we'll probably get a pretty good return on our investment.

Think we can't do it? I do. I also think we'll need all kinds of metal, but junk silver will be the most useful for 'bartering'.
 
^That leads me to another question... are all pre-1965 coins 90% silver or only some of them? Which coins only have 40%?

Honestly it doesn't bother me too much because I look at it like silver is silver and if it's only 40% then it's going to be much cheaper than 90% but I really would like to know which coins have which just incase my mindset changes or a dealer tries to sell my 40percenters for a 90% price.
Basically , Kennedy Doallars 1965 - 1970 and S Mint Ike dollars are 40 % , but this apllies not to nickels which are only ( 35 % ) silver 1942 - 1945 , so , for all intents, dimes , quarters and halves 1964 and prior are 90 % , you will not run into many dollars ...
 
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"Investing" all of your savings in silver is an absolutely terrible idea. Especially at these current prices. I don't know your financial situation. If you share some more info on your income/savings rate/assets I can help you come up with a better idea.

As a general rule of thumb, I wouldn't put more than 10% of your total net worth into gold/silver. Your first priority should be an emergency savings in cash. Next priority, make sure you are contributing to tax advantaged accounts and putting the money into funds that reflect your current age and risk tolerance. I suggest you do some serious research into personal finance before making this decision.

1) It's not a terrible idea if you think Silver is guaranteed to double over the next 5 years... I happen to think the real price of silver is around 80$ right now but it's being MASSIVELY suppressed by the central banking cartels (just look at the massive suppression over the last two business days). It's also a much safer bet to hold silver than FRNs because the FRNs are absolutely guaranteed to continue to lose significant value. I keep cash because I'm forced to keep cash but i'm investing A LOT of my money into silver.

2) The classic "no more than 10%" line has been spread by financial experts for years and years and years and I personally believe they only spin this line because precious metals are such an easy investment that they don't want the average person cutting them out of the equation by investing in it. What would be the point of having a financial adviser if the majority of your money was put into PMs? That's why they discourage investing into it...

3) The financial conditions that caused the precious metals boom of 2000-2011 are EXACTLY the same... why would anyone believe that PMs will not continue to shoot towards the moon in the next 4 years? I personally believe that QE3 will guarantee another PMs boom... QE3 is exactly why I started to research silver investing. The conditions are even worse now...

4) There's a serious physical silver shortage already happening... the central banks are being forced to suppress it's real price with silver paper certificates because once silver shoots through the moon it basically destabilizes their entire fiat money system and could bring it to the brink of collapse (Because while they hold massive gold reverses they hold almost 0 silver). The problem with them continuing to suppress this is that eventually the industrial demand will end up so great that the suppressed price will cause mining operations to operate at a loss- eventually those operations will be forced to raise the price despite what the central banks try to do. It's classic economics from Hazlitt's Economics in 1 Lesson- restrictive price controls ALWAYS cause a shortage.

5) Silver is real money, and if we truly want a monetary standard backed with real money than we need to all invest in it. Infact if every American invested into 2OZs of PHYSICAL Silver every year there would be a tremendous shortage right away and the price would boom. If everyone in America started to invest in physical silver we would almost be acting as the Hunt brothers in 1980 and the price would soar for everyone holding it. It's kind of that concept if everyone put their money into the same stock at once we'd all get rich except instead of going into a stock we're all going into a metal we could easily hide from the government.

6) As for everyone saying don't invest in the junk because it's easier to barter the ounces... ok that's technically true because you don't want to have to memorize the exact silver weight in the junk coins (and most people would have no way to believe you in a SHTF scenario) HOWEVER when we get to the point where people are bartering with silver the vast majority that knows NOTHING about PMs or Silver will feel much more comfortable buying pre 1964 coins because they were guaranteed at 90% silver at one point in time.

Just because a coin says .999silver doesn't mean it's real silver. Anyone could have put that stamp there and in a barter economy there will be massive amount of fakes going around and it could devalue the Silver OZs based on reputation alone. People will feel safer going with coins that they KNOW are 90% silver.

This is why I prefer the 90% Half Dollars because they are basically 1/3 of an OZ (32%) and that's something that could easily be bartered with and would be very damn difficult to fake. 3 half dollars = 1oz would work just as well as bartering with the 1oz and people will feel much more comfortable taking the government guaranteed coin.
 
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If shtf, you really think people are going to want to check dates on 100 of coins during barter?
I wont, I will tell you to come back with .999 or better if you want my goods.

This is why all of my 90% junk silver is Mercury Dimes. No matter which date, they are all silver. Also, they are still fairly plentiful, so there is not a huge difference in price over the Roosevelts. Immediately recognizeable...

90% of my .999 silver is silver eagles. The rest are just a mix of higher-end premium bullion that I like to fondle just for it's beauty.
 
1) It's not a terrible idea if you think Silver is guaranteed to double over the next 5 years... I happen to think the real price of silver is around 80$ right now but it's being MASSIVELY suppressed by the central banking cartels (just look at the massive suppression over the last two business days). It's also a much safer bet to hold silver than FRNs because the FRNs are absolutely guaranteed to continue to lose significant value. I keep cash because I'm forced to keep cash but i'm investing A LOT of my money into silver.

Wow... This is all so wrong... All this talk of "guarantees" and "real prices." This is nonsense man. You seriously need to revisit this subject and do a lot of reading.
 
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Junk coins for liquid cash when the time comes (bills, groceries, barter, life); bars/bullion coins for large transactions (LAND).

Simple, eloquent and right on the money.
 
Wow... This is all so wrong... Honestly, I don't even know how I can help you. All this talk of "guarantees" and "real prices." This is nonsense man. This is as wrong as wrong can be. It sounds like you've been drinking a whole lot of koolaid. You seriously need to revisit this subject and do a lot of reading.

I have been drinking the kool aid and so have a lot of other people in the last 10 years... PMs are going to continue to go up and Silver Manipulation in the market is pretty apparent even over the last two days.

I'm also not thinking about this as just an investment there's a lot of other angles to PMs that cannot be dismissed, especially silver and gold because they are in fact REAL money in a world that's watching government money evaporate into nothing.

Gold was around 35$ once and inflationary governments turned it into 1750$ in 40 years, in roughly the same time span our pre-64 half dollars went from 50 cents to 12.50$. I happen to think the same system that caused this will either stay intact with much much more inflation coming (causing Silver to boom in the same way Gold did in the last 4 decades, while Gold will go to unthinkable levels) or the system will implode on itself and the precious metals such as silver and gold will once again reclaim their actual role as REAL money. Making the value of either really incalculable in dollars or any other existing currency...
 
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You shouldn't be thinking about it as an investment, because it's not. Buying commodities in the hopes that the price goes higher isn't investing. It's speculating. If you really feel strongly about everything you said, than that's a good reason to make a bet (10% of your portfolio) in gold and silver, or to buy some as a hedge. It's not a good reason to convert all of your assets to silver coins.
 
Gold will be a tier one banking asset very soon. (Years not decades) It will force demand on par with US Treasuries and then surpass it.

The gold/silver bull market is that of long wave secular. This thing is not even close to over.

The same way that the 20th century (truly kicking in, in 1971) was a long wave secular expansion of credit, the reversion to hard capital money is and will continue to be long wave secular in nature.

I think this bull market will take us into the mid 2020's.

This also includes major currency collapse. The revaluation of PM's will NOT end simply because a major currency or two collapse.

As gold (and maybe even silver) become tier one banking assets, it means that leverage, credit and DRUMROLL.... INTEREST RATES...are pegged, in some capacity, to the asset. The functional appreciation of the asset will continue until REAL HARD SAVINGS are accumulated in satisfactory amounts (whatever amount that may be).

People will be garnering YIELD by depositing gold into accounts. This will mark the SECOND HALF of this secular bull.

The first half is and will continue to be marked by appreciation relative to currencies and leveraged assets.

The second half will be marked by capital flight into the asset to CHASE YIELD.

This bull has barely begun to buck.
 
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