July 4th Ron Paul Speech? "Science Thrives in Free Societies"

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[alucard13mmfmj]

Science is how society progresses (also how a society can destroy itself).

Seems humans always find ways to make weapons and that tech is used in civilian purposes.
OR
Some new civilian tech is used to make weapons.

Always weapons.

 

[KingNothing]

She's blinding me with SCIENCE!

 

[Revolution9]

July 4th is a major day for the high energy physics community, there will be an announcement concerning the particle thought to be responsible for generating mass in nature, the Higgs Boson.

http://www.ichep2012.com.au/

One of the central themes of "Road To Serfdom" is the huge advantage free societies have over unfree societies in terms of technology and scientific development. I deeply hope Dr. Paul takes this opportunity to combine the symbolic day of American independence as well as scientific progress to make a speech emphasizing that the importance of our freedom to our understanding of the universe.

*Side Rant From Author: Pure Speculation*
Maybe 40-60 years from now, "Gravitational Engineering" becomes a new field of study. Once we discover the particle responsible for generating mass, we can set about the long road of trying to control it. If we develop a set of procedures for controlling it in certain ways we could in principle change the mass of objects. That means payloads that are much too expensive to send into space now may in the near future (~100 years) be able to be "lightened" until away from the Earth's gravitational field.

Consider what happened after JJ Thompson discovered the electron in 1897. It only took until 1907 until Rosing used Cathode Ray Tubes to form clear geometric pictures. By 1934 humans had commerical television sets based on CRTs. Less than 40 years from electron discovery until commerical televisions.

Torsion fields generate the quality of mass. The Higgs Boson does not exist as they say it does. Here is what they are doing. They put T-cups on a table (the particle accelerator reaction vessel).. They then rapidly pull the tablecloth out from under it. The T-cup handles are now pointing in different directions and some are tipped over resting on their sides while other have been jostled off their saucer altogether. They then call the T-cups with handles pointing differently than before they yanked the tablecloth different particles when really they are just the same T-cup with a different angular momentum. That angular momentum is bound into the torsion fields and is not particulate like they think. They look at the play of shadow and light caused by the spin of the magic lantern thinking they are looking at the prime causal force when it is actually a side effect.

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

Science is how society progresses (also how a society can destroy itself).

Seems humans always find ways to make weapons and that tech is used in civilian purposes.
OR
Some new civilian tech is used to make weapons.

Always weapons.

That is the idiom of the age of Kali Yuga..Iron, fire and destruction. We got it in spades.

Rev9

 

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[ClydeCoulter]

Torsion fields generate the quality of mass. The Higgs Boson does not exist as they say it does. Here is what they are doing. They put T-cups on a table (the particle accelerator reaction vessel).. They then rapidly pull the tablecloth out from under it. The T-cup handles are now pointing in different directions and some are tipped over resting on their sides while other have been jostled off their saucer altogether. They then call the T-cups with handles pointing differently than before they yanked the tablecloth different particles when really they are just the same T-cup with a different angular momentum. That angular momentum is bound into the torsion fields and is not particulate like they think. They look at the play of shadow and light caused by the spin of the magic lantern thinking they are looking at the prime causal force when it is actually a side effect.

Rev9

I agree. It amazes me that they think they understand what they see, but as always they work on the symptom instead of the source. Leedskalnin said they were completely wrong in their conclusions and no "wisdom".

edit: "If you still don't succeed, add another coeffecient".

 

[G-Wohl]

Science is how society progresses (also how a society can destroy itself).

A society's scientific advancements actually serve as a helpful barometer for a nation's progress. A scientifically-advanced society is not in any danger of destroying itself.

 

[pacelli]

Ron Paul will probably be in Clute, TX on July 4 with his family.

 

[jonhowe]

MSM Headline:
Creationist Ron Paul gives speech on science.

It'll be the laughing stock of the day.



(Note: Not trying to start a debate on the creation/evolution issue, but that's what would be brought up if Ron gave a science speech.)

 

[IlliniLiberty]

Sounds like an opportunity to educate.

MSM Headline:
Creationist Ron Paul gives speech on science.

It'll be the laughing stock of the day.



(Note: Not trying to start a debate on the creation/evolution issue, but that's what would be brought up if Ron gave a science speech.)

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I think Ahmadinejad would be a good one to give a speach on science. Anyone ever hear his speaches on science and it's place in society?

 

[RickyJ]

Truth also thrives in free societies. But some even here don't want to hear the truth. 9/11 was an act of war against the American people by the state of Israel.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Truth also thrives in free societies. But some even here don't want to hear the truth. 9/11 was an act of war against the American people by the state of Israel.

Ah, you're one of those "conspiracy nuts". Most people are not ready to be unplugged, Neo.
Besides, Israel is a creation for the very purpose it serves.

 

[Natural Citizen]

July 4th is a major day for the high energy physics community, there will be an announcement concerning the particle thought to be responsible for generating mass in nature, the Higgs Boson.

http://www.ichep2012.com.au/

One of the central themes of "Road To Serfdom" is the huge advantage free societies have over unfree societies in terms of technology and scientific development. I deeply hope Dr. Paul takes this opportunity to combine the symbolic day of American independence as well as scientific progress to make a speech emphasizing that the importance of our freedom to our understanding of the universe.

*Side Rant From Author: Pure Speculation*
Maybe 40-60 years from now, "Gravitational Engineering" becomes a new field of study. Once we discover the particle responsible for generating mass, we can set about the long road of trying to control it. If we develop a set of procedures for controlling it in certain ways we could in principle change the mass of objects. That means payloads that are much too expensive to send into space now may in the near future (~100 years) be able to be "lightened" until away from the Earth's gravitational field.

Consider what happened after JJ Thompson discovered the electron in 1897. It only took until 1907 until Rosing used Cathode Ray Tubes to form clear geometric pictures. By 1934 humans had commerical television sets based on CRTs. Less than 40 years from electron discovery until commerical televisions.

Not really practical to think one is of the means to control such phenomenon. Just want to bend it a little bit. You see? No? Yes?

I'd say freedom thrives off science though. Not the other way around.

 

[parocks]

MSM Headline:
Creationist Ron Paul gives speech on science.

It'll be the laughing stock of the day.



(Note: Not trying to start a debate on the creation/evolution issue, but that's what would be brought up if Ron gave a science speech.)

He is a medical doctor.

 

[parocks]

Ah, you're one of those "conspiracy nuts". Most people are not ready to be unplugged, Neo.
Besides, Israel is a creation for the very purpose it serves.

Oh, well I'm not sure that RickyJ's comment was particularly on point, not really relevant to this particular conversation. Presumably you know who the Rothschilds are. That the Balfour Declaration was written to a Rothchild. And there are a lot of Rothschild streets in Israel. I'm not taking RickyJs side here, just pointing out that many could see Israel as Rothschild-land, and within the context of the overall conspiracy theories, that's important to note. A different Rothschild (I think) was the one who said that he didn't care who was in charge as long as he could control the money supply.

 

[jonhowe]

He is a medical doctor.

Your point? My Uncle Michael is a medical doctor and a practicing Scientologist.

 

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[Natural Citizen]

We indeed found a "Higgslike" Boson. (The decay rates to photon "light particles" and Z bosons "another particle" are as expected, more analysis is required to ensure that all decay rates are that we expect of the true Higgs Boson.)


This is a very big moment in human history, it is unfortunate Ron Paul did not take the opportunity to educate people ala Road To Serfdom on how fortunate we are to live in societies where humans are granted the freedom to pursue scientific research.

I think one of my very first posts here was indeed about that very thing. Education is very important and believe it or not has one heck of a lot to do with the old Hegelian dialect otherwise refered to as "National Security" and "National defense"...two entirely different phenomenon... amongst those who have already understood the real science of the matter yet chose to apply it to war incorporated instead.

Because of this, education must come from government first....knowing now (some of us before) that space flight and propulsion technology would be a commercial venture in a time where corporations have meged with state. Could go on and on but you seem to get it already, I think. I wouldn't even bring it up in a place where it would be spun six ways from Tuesday about global warming or something similar. Again....comes back to citizenship. It always does. Such science will always be subjected to becoming a "trade secret" where coporations meet mother nature.

It's actually hard to dumb down discussion like this but that's my best shot at it. Sorry.