Judge throws out 4 of 5 charges against Jesse Benton

[phill4paul]

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just trying to clarify if you mean this under almost any circumstances.

1.) If my house was burglarized or my car stolen, should I not report it because things might just get worse?

2.) If I witnessed a crime (like a stabbing), should I not give police details that might help catch the attacker?

Until the stories of the last couple of years changed my opinion, in the past I would have always cooperated with the police.

Spend 45 minutes. Really.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Almost any circumstances.

In the two examples you gave, I would not do so without legal representation.

For instance: knew a fellow in NJ whose house got robbed. He duly reported the items that were stolen stolen to the cops. He was later arrested when it was determined that one of the rifles he reported stolen was a "prohibited" firearm under NJ law.

He ended up not doing time, but had a felony arrest record and lost his FOID and almost his job.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just trying to clarify if you mean this under almost any circumstances.

1.) If my house was burglarized or my car stolen, should I not report it because things might just get worse?

2.) If I witnessed a crime (like a stabbing), should I not give police details that might help catch the attacker?

Until the stories of the last couple of years changed my opinion, in the past I would have always cooperated with the police.

 

[phill4paul]

Almost any circumstances.

In the two examples you gave, I would not do so without legal representation.

For instance: knew a fellow in NJ whose house got robbed. He duly reported the items that were stolen stolen to the cops. He was later arrested when it was determined that one of the rifles he reported stolen was a "prohibited" firearm under NJ law.

He ended up not doing time, but had a felony arrest record and lost his FOID and almost his job.

He's lucky they didn't ping him with a 101 code enforcement violations when they came to take his statement.

If you aren't doing anything wrong.....

 

[Anti Federalist]

This video should be mandatory viewing for every single US citizen over the age of 12.

Spend 45 minutes. Really.

 

[Anti Federalist]

He's lucky they didn't ping him with a 101 code enforcement violations when they came to take his statement.

If you aren't doing anything wrong.....

This fellow was "Mr. Law and Order" too.

He thought he was in compliance, that the firearm in question had been "grandfathered" when new restrictions went in place.

Doom on him.

 

[Anti Federalist]

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[phill4paul]

This fellow was "Mr. Law and Order" too.

He thought he was in compliance, that the firearm in question had been "grandfathered" when new restrictions went in place.

Doom on him.

Doom on every one of us brother. A thief may steal our property but the government can steal our lives.

 

[angelatc]

Y
I wonder what all of the anti-Benton people have to say about this.

Just for posterity's sake, my husband said he hopes Benton gets a stiff penalty for the lying thind, because he's still a dick.

 

[phill4paul]

Just for posterity's sake, my husband said he hopes Benton gets a stiff penalty for the lying thind, because he's still a dick.

I don't. It's bullshit. I hope no one ever gets caught up in the Fed spiderweb because due to my my dislike. I hope he skates. On this charge.

 

[69360]

Benton didn't do anything that any other political campaign has and will do. He just made the mistake of talking to the cops and getting caught.

 

[65fastback2+2]

It is probably something like telling them he didn't send an email/text when they have records showing otherwise, while at the end of the day, whether he sent it or not had no relevance to the case.

i agree this is probably it.

I was talking from the standpoint of the actual convictions and actual evidence...not whatever made up stuff the government tried to pin on him

 

[erowe1]

i wonder why everything in the courts has to do with "electricity'.. "circuit" courts... people get "charged" etc

That battery of words is current, but met with some resistance. They have their positives and negatives. I don't have the power to be a transformer of them. Might as well let them be static.

 

[phill4paul]

Benton didn't do anything that any other political campaign has and will do. He just made the mistake of talking to the cops and getting caught.

It is soooo awesome when ethical people use unethical means to throw it back in the face of unethical f*ckers. Really shows them how their unethical tactics mean nothing in the face of ethical tactics that will prevail. Even by using unethical tactics.

 

[cindy25]

isn't the ultimate solution to abolish the FEC?

 

[Anti Federalist]

I don't. It's bullshit. I hope no one ever gets caught up in the Fed spiderweb because due to my my dislike. I hope he skates. On this charge.

I cannot stand Benton or "Bentonism", but I gotta agree with this.

I wouldn't wish cops and feds on my worst enemy.

 

[Matt Collins]

MSM = convenient scapegoat. Does media influence elections? Hell's yes! But, if this is just a fact of life we may as well just throw in the towel, right? Boots on the ground = grassroots. The only thing that can counter MSM and it's status-quo drivers.

I agree, and we got really close. I mean we almost won it, we were on track to win it. But with the race being so tight, the media was able to swing it a couple of points, and that is what made the difference.

 

[Badger Paul]

"I agree, and we got really close. I mean we almost won it, we were on track to win it."

So what was the point then of trying to get Kent Sorenson's support? Was he an influential person like VanderPlatts? Did he have a bloc of voters or organization ready to help RP win Iowa? Why? This "Tea Party" SOB betrayed Paul from the very beginning for supporting Bachmann and as it turned out he did so only because he was getting paid. A scum sucker like that does not deserve any kind of attention let alone laundering money to pay him for his support. Not only is it disgusting and demeaning to what RP stood for, it was also stupid politics. Kent Sorenson's support was not going to win the Iowa caucuses for Ron Paul any more than it was helping Bachmann at the time. Yet Paul supporters spend more time trying to deal with him than boning up to get out the vote for Paul. Brilliant.

You know what this tells me? Neither you nor anyone else in the claque are very wise or clever Collins. If a so-called amateur like myself could see how dumb this scheme was from my home (as well as countless others, I'm sure) why you think you're some sort of font of political wisdom is beyond me. Blame the media all you want but the truth is, you fellows just aren't that bright and things just fell apart as a result.

 

[Matt Collins]

"I agree, and we got really close. I mean we almost won it, we were on track to win it."

So what was the point then of trying to get Kent Sorenson's support? Was he an influential person like VanderPlatts? Did he have a bloc of voters or organization ready to help RP win Iowa? Why? This "Tea Party" SOB betrayed Paul from the very beginning for supporting Bachmann and as it turned out he did so only because he was getting paid. A scum sucker like that does not deserve any kind of attention let alone laundering money to pay him for his support. Not only is it disgusting and demeaning to what RP stood for, it was also stupid politics. Kent Sorenson's support was not going to win the Iowa caucuses for Ron Paul any more than it was helping Bachmann at the time. Yet Paul supporters spend more time trying to deal with him than boning up to get out the vote for Paul. Brilliant.

You know what this tells me? Neither you nor anyone else in the claque are very wise or clever Collins. If a so-called amateur like myself could see how dumb this scheme was from my home (as well as countless others, I'm sure) why you think you're some sort of font of political wisdom is beyond me. Blame the media all you want but the truth is, you fellows just aren't that bright and things just fell apart as a result.

I was not involved in the Iowa effort in any way other than the Ames Straw Poll in late summer of 2011.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

I was not involved in the Iowa effort in any way other than the Ames Straw Poll in late summer of 2011.

But what you did do, is pick the wrong friends.

 

[Crashland]

This reminds me of a situation where all charges against someone can be dropped except for resisting arrest. Why not resist if I know I've done nothing wrong?

Someone would say "Well why resist if you did nothing wrong? It can all be sorted out later". After seeing the horror stories of some of these people dying in lock up without food or medication, people still have the gall to ask why you wouldn't want to go to jail. It's a risk I'm not willing to take.

The police are not the judge and jury. There is such a thing as a lawful arrest even if you are ultimately found to be innocent...

IMO, resisting arrest because you fear being harmed by police is self-contradictory, because resisting dramatically increases the chances of you being harmed.