Judge throws out 4 of 5 charges against Jesse Benton

[Kurt Evans]

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[hells_unicorn]

Yep, whenever a fishing expedition is engaged in by the Feds, they'll always manufacture the whole "lying to federal investigators" B.S., which is absurd considering the Judge just said that there wasn't anything illegal done. One of the great things about being a federal investigator is being given the right to lie in court and get away with it, a luxury also afforded to federal prosecutors. This is the reason why everybody is afraid of going to court, and also one of the reasons why I refuse to EVER swear an oath in a court room, let alone engage in the old Anglican superstitious gesticulations with the bible that go with it.

I wonder what all of the anti-Benton people have to say about this.

 

[timosman]

I would say "You got lucky. This was close.", but I will wait for the final ruling.

 

[specsaregood]

I'm happy for him. As to lying to federal investigators... if its been found legal for federal investigators/police to lie to everybody else, then I think the reverse should be legal as well.

 

[hells_unicorn]

I'm happy for him. As to lying to federal investigators... if its been found legal for federal investigators/police to lie to everybody else, then I think the reverse should be legal as well.

It definitely should be that way, but Federal Agents are actually not subject to entrapment laws the way state and local police are. If you're a Fed, you can literally cancel somebody's freedom with a few phone calls, provided that you have a judge that will rubber stamp all of your charges, which sadly is becoming more and more common.

 

[angelatc]

I would say it's good to have a relative in the US Senate.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

i wonder why everything in the courts has to do with "electricity'.. "circuit" courts... people get "charged" etc

 

[hells_unicorn]

I would say it's good to have a relative in the US Senate.

It's probably also good to have not actually done anything, though despite this he may well get hit with the last charge, which will probably damage his future job prospects. It's curious how many people here seem cool with the government trumping up bogus charges and potentially ruining someone's life simply because they don't like the person that it's happening to.

 

[William Tell]

The judge dismissed all charges against Benton except for a count of lying to federal investigators, according to Politico... Both Pauls had questioned the timing of the indictment, which was handed down shortly before the first Republican presidential primary debate of the 2016 election cycle.

So if he had said nothing to the feds this case would be closed.

 

[65fastback2+2]

ok, lets put some logic with this.

If you've done nothing wrong, and a judge rules you innocent, and then rules you guilty of lying...but you did nothing wrong...that means benton would have had to of lied and said he DID do something wrong lol.

You cant lie about being innocent. smh.

Benton probably just didnt over-expose the truth and the feds just wanted to hammer him with something.

 

[specsaregood]

ok, lets put some logic with this.
If you've done nothing wrong, and a judge rules you innocent, and then rules you guilty of lying...but you did nothing wrong...that means benton would have had to of lied and said he DID do something wrong lol.
You cant lie about being innocent. smh.
Benton probably just didnt over-expose the truth and the feds just wanted to hammer him with something.

The judge did not rule that he was guilty of lying.

 

[specsaregood]

also john tate:

The judge also threw out all four counts against John Tate, another Paul family aide who works with Benton on America’s Liberty PAC. A six-charge indictment still stands against a third Paul aide, Dimitri Kesari.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/jesse-benton-some-charges-dropped-campaign-fraud-case-214616

 

[William Tell]

ok, lets put some logic with this.

If you've done nothing wrong, and a judge rules you innocent, and then rules you guilty of lying...but you did nothing wrong...that means benton would have had to of lied and said he DID do something wrong lol.

No, I don't think so.

You cant lie about being innocent. smh.

I think saying anything they consider false could potentially get you convicted of lying. I imagine if you said you were wearing an orange hat on friday, when it was actually yellow hat they could technically convict you.

 

[CPUd]

ok, lets put some logic with this.

If you've done nothing wrong, and a judge rules you innocent, and then rules you guilty of lying...but you did nothing wrong...that means benton would have had to of lied and said he DID do something wrong lol.

You cant lie about being innocent. smh.

Benton probably just didnt over-expose the truth and the feds just wanted to hammer him with something.

It is probably something like telling them he didn't send an email/text when they have records showing otherwise, while at the end of the day, whether he sent it or not had no relevance to the case.

 

[William Tell]

It is probably something like telling them he didn't send an email/text when they have records showing otherwise, while at the end of the day, whether he sent it or not had no relevance to the case.

Yeah, that's a good guess.

 

[hells_unicorn]

So if he had said nothing to the feds this case would be closed.

Or the Feds could have charged him with obstructing justice. If the Feds want to indict a ham sandwich, they'll resort to finding a way to make having mustard a crime to make it happen. I've sort of taken to referring to constitutional rights as privileges because they aren't always rights depending on who is in charge.

 

[JohnGalt23g]

Lesson Number One: When federal investigators, be it from the FBI or US Attorney's office, or whatever, start asking you questions, you shut the hell up and wait for your attorney...

 

[Occam's Banana]

Yep, whenever a fishing expedition is engaged in by the Feds, they'll always manufacture the whole "lying to federal investigators" B.S., which is absurd considering the Judge just said that there wasn't anything illegal done.

Well, it's no more absurd than the police practice of arresting someone on the sole charge of "resisting arrest" ...

I'm happy for him. As to lying to federal investigators... if its been found legal for federal investigators/police to lie to everybody else, then I think the reverse should be legal as well.

Law enforcement officials should not be treated the same way as criminals and other mundanes.

After all, they're law enforcement officials!

Why do you hate justice?

 

[Spikender]

This reminds me of a situation where all charges against someone can be dropped except for resisting arrest. Why not resist if I know I've done nothing wrong?

Someone would say "Well why resist if you did nothing wrong? It can all be sorted out later". After seeing the horror stories of some of these people dying in lock up without food or medication, people still have the gall to ask why you wouldn't want to go to jail. It's a risk I'm not willing to take.

 

[Jackie Moon]

i wonder why everything in the courts has to do with "electricity'.. "circuit" courts... people get "charged" etc

The judge did not rule that he was guilty of lying.

Right, he still might beat that charge... it just wasn't thrown out with the others.