Judge throws 17-year-old honors student in jail for missing classes

[aGameOfThrones]

That's what happens when judges watch too much Judge Dredd.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Thing is, this ruined the girl's life with a 'crimina'l record. And for what? Because Obama passed a mandate (apparently) that no one could drop out until 18!? (Because of some unbacked statement how people do better the longer they're in school!?)

I say the girl should counter-sue.

And if the law will not help us, let's beg anonymous to do something, because this isn't right!

I doubt this will "ruin her life" in any sense of the word. Employers are going to look at that and think "High school... those were the days." Then, when she gets a chance to explain it, they'll probably hire her just for her extreme work ethic... she works so hard that it's criminal.

 

[pcosmar]

Moriarty ?

Oddly appropriate.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I doubt this will "ruin her life" in any sense of the word. Employers are going to look at that and think "High school... those were the days." Then, when she gets a chance to explain it, they'll probably hire her just for her extreme work ethic... she works so hard that it's criminal.

You have no idea, my brother, what a criminal record will do to your employment chances these days.

Just an arrest record would disqualify her from obtaining the documents needed to work in my business.

Or be a truck driver.

 

[Salvial]

All I can think of is John Taylor Gatto's Ultimate History Lesson.

This girl has volition and is able to be self-directed in her education and maintain an excellent standard. She sleeps in because she's so successful? Criminal!

 

[Acala]

exactly

Laws that should hold cops accountable are being ignored. So what's the point of enforcing every law, if laws are already only being selectively enforced?

The point is that part of the decay in the American Republic is a slipping away from the rule of law. It is especially prevalent and pernicious at the Federal level where the Constitution, rather than being regarded as THE LAW that everyone must follow as written, is just a goddamned piece of paper that everyone ignores if they feel like it. And that is the identical problem with having a judge ignore laws just because he doesn't like them. If you don't like the Constitution, amend it, don't ignore it. If you are a judge and you don't like a law, change it, don't ignore it. That is what it means to have the rule of law rather than the rule of men. Once you accept that judges don't have to apply the law as written but can apply or not apply the law as they see fit, you might as well give up having written law at all. Because some judges ignore the law, as is sometimes the case with police defendants, doesn't mean the rule of law should be abandoned altogether. Rather, it means we need to restore it in ALL cases, and REPEAL bad laws. .

 

[phill4paul]

You have no idea, my brother, what a criminal record will do to your employment chances these days.

Just an arrest record would disqualify her from obtaining the documents needed to work in my business.

Or be a truck driver.

Or rent an apartment. Or.......

 

[tttppp]

This girl is basically taking college level courses. She's pretty much done with the high school level courses. Why should she be required to go to school? This seems to be a case where they are more concerned about wasting 12 years of your life than they are that you get an education.

 

[TheTexan]

The point is that part of the decay in the American Republic is a slipping away from the rule of law. It is especially prevalent and pernicious at the Federal level where the Constitution, rather than being regarded as THE LAW that everyone must follow as written, is just a goddamned piece of paper that everyone ignores if they feel like it. And that is the identical problem with having a judge ignore laws just because he doesn't like them. If you don't like the Constitution, amend it, don't ignore it. If you are a judge and you don't like a law, change it, don't ignore it. That is what it means to have the rule of law rather than the rule of men. Once you accept that judges don't have to apply the law as written but can apply or not apply the law as they see fit, you might as well give up having written law at all. Because some judges ignore the law, as is sometimes the case with police defendants, doesn't mean the rule of law should be abandoned altogether. Rather, it means we need to restore it in ALL cases, and REPEAL bad laws. .

On the Rule of Law issue... I can simultaneously win this argument and lose it with one word:

Hitler

 

[AgentOrange]

How does this work? Was it just the kid in front of a judge? No jury/representation, etc?

She's a minor...that means her case is held in Juvenile Court. Juvenile Courts don't have to give the same civil rights to minors, that adult courts must offer to adults (ie trial by jury, open court procedings, a lawyer if you can't afford one--it's solely at the judges discretion if he wants to appoint a lawyer for you.) The problems with Juvenile Courts is a whole other issue.

 

[Danke]

She's a minor...that means her case is held in Juvenile Court. Juvenile Courts don't have to give the same civil rights to minors, that adult courts must offer to adults (ie trial by jury, open court procedings, a lawyer if you can't afford one--it's solely at the judges discretion if he wants to appoint a lawyer for you.) The problems with Juvenile Courts is a whole other issue.

Hmmm. Sounds like someone had to submit (unknowingly agree to) to this court's jurisdiction to begin with. Ignorant juvenile? Sounds like fraud.

 

[UMULAS]

Good God, you can go to jail for skipping school...? Crap, I think im going away for life

 

[Lishy]

I say we harass the judge until he tells us what the moral of the story is and gives us a damn good reason why she must go to jail.

What's his contact info?

 

[Kluge]

http://flamingolakespoa.com/joomla/...d=5:lannymoriarty&catid=12:contacts&Itemid=15

 

[AgentOrange]

Hmmm. Sounds like someone had to submit (unknowingly agree to) to this court's jurisdiction to begin with. Ignorant juvenile? Sounds like fraud.

Don't all truancy cases automatically go to Juvenile Court?

 

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

I say we harass the judge until he tells us what the moral of the story is and gives us a damn good reason why she must go to jail.

What's his contact info?

You really believe there is a good reason there to cite ?

 

[Danke]

Don't all truancy cases automatically go to Juvenile Court?

Maybe, by why submit? Are you under their jurisdiction? If so, how?

 

[Lishy]

You really believe there is a good reason there to cite ?

Oh course not. That's the point. But if we force crooks like him to talk anyways, it's still a victory because any stupid person could see through their bullshit when they try to "justify" their actions, simply because there is NO good reason!

http://flamingolakespoa.com/joomla/...d=5:lannymoriarty&catid=12:contacts&Itemid=15

Hrm.. This is the info apparently. Great. Now we need an army of liberty-minded people to question him and record his calls!

Let's protest the selfish asshole exploiting this poor, innocent girl just so he could make another day of salary!!

 

[Danke]

http://flamingolakespoa.com/joomla/...d=5:lannymoriarty&catid=12:contacts&Itemid=15

Chip in to send Amy to give the judge her full wrath.

 

[TheTexan]

Oh course not. That's the point. But if we force crooks like him to talk anyways, it's still a victory because any stupid person could see through their bullshit when they try to "justify" their actions, simply because there is NO good reason!

Acala isn't stupid, and he'd support the judge. See his responses for how most people would approach this situation.

The problem isn't that most people are stupid... the problem is more that they are conditioned, and it's not as simple as just presenting the facts and expecting a common sense result.

That isn't to say you shouldn't try though. I would encourage you to try, if only for you to see what I'm talking about