DamianTV
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Mostly semantics.
A person comes along and takes absolutely everything from you, its a direct form of violence.
You try to get back to work and start acquiring things you need to survive after everything has been taken by force. You're denied job after job after job because you are expected to have an address (yeah, took your house too) and will not hire you without an address. Its an indirect form of violence. Youre denied the ability to provide for yourself, as many people are. The only solution is to voluntarily put on a Chain of Obedience in the form of Dependancy on the charity of others, which, as it turns out, is just another form of theft. They take from people that have something to give it to you. Now, the indirect violence is carried out in your name, much the same way as Govt claims to take your Freedom in exchange for your Security.
Violence can take many forms, and not all of it is direct, and not all are physical.
Govt decree for santions to be placed on a Nation (people farm) is a form of violence against the people of that Nation.
Taxation is a form of violece. Try not paying your taxes and intentionally get caught. It costs more to incarcerate a person for not paying their taxes then to put them back to work and make them productive again. The Poor are just there to scare the fuck out of the middle class into obedience, just as Tax Evaders are thrown in jail to scare the fuck out of people who think they could spend their money more wisely than those that demand that money.
I'll try another one. A slave owner buys a Human Slave. The slave owner never has to physically injure the slave. But just because said slave has not been injured does not mean the slave is free by any means. Slavery is just as much a form of violence as Poverty, and the two states usually exist simultaneously. There are no filthy rich slaves. Slavery = Poverty = Violence.
Admittedly, they are not the same thing, but where you find one, you'll very often find the others. The direct forms of abuse, that which we consider violence, seems to be misdefined as only causing a physical injury to a person. Courts have to deal with this stuff all the time. He ripped me off. Financial Injury. They kidnapped me, raped and violated me until I lost my mind (criminal, not civil). Emotional and Psychological Injury. That guy over there is a Child Molester (when they arent). Libel and Slander. Injury to Social Standing. A kid has a dog and does not feed that dog. The dog starves to death. Did that dog not suffer? Is that not a form of abuse? Is that not a form of violence?
They are all forms of violence.
(Since there still might be some disagreement on the exact definition, this might be better splitting the thread...)
Everything after the debate on definition of slavery I agree with, it is BS and people should be smart enough to know it. I dont think that these people that should know it and dont actually understand what their Rights are. They definitely arent taught what their rights are in school. They think the 2nd Amendment gives them the "Right" to ask the Govt (the very entity that the 2nd was designed to empower the people to defend themselves against) for "Permission" to own a Gun. Most schoolchildren have absolutely no concept of what a Right is in any way shape or form. If you asked them what was important, they'd want the Right (by asking Permission) to Tweet. They'd want the Right to be shown advertisements. They'd want the Right to have the State (other people) take care of them. They'd want selfish BS that does not benefit anyone but themselves.
If we want to focus our energies somewhere, maybe we shouldnt bother to debate with each other, even if we slightly disagree, and try teaching the simplest explanation of rights I've come across: All Rights End Where Equal Rights Of Others Begin.
