Judge Napolitano "Immigration is a right."

[AGRP]

/2 X Facepalm

Exactly, you just proved my point. I'm not exactly thrilled to watch my people commit national suicide. Even though death is inevitable to all, no need to end it shorter.

These feel-good open border people simply need to take some common sense pills or something. They think invoking indians and people dying somehow helps their position, when it only cuts it at the knees.

Not owning land, nationalship, non-citizenship, etc. was not what killed the indians.

 

[No Free Beer]

We might as well give everyone National ID cards as well right?

Typical irrational answer.

We all have SS numbers, dude.

Get real.

 

[loveableteddybear]

Not owning land, nationalship, non-citizenship, etc. was not what killed the indians.

The fact that they often sold land, fought over territory and had solid political entities (i.e. Iroquois Confederation) disproves that. Resorting to calling someone a troll when the just served you on a silver platter doesn't make your "please, let's just let the WHOLE WORLD go to America, it'd be great" argument not sound any smarter.

 

[William R]

The Judge sounds like a crackpot on this one!! 95 percent of the illegals coming across the southern border are trespassing on private property. The ranchers haven't given their permission for people to do this. Doesn't the Judge believe in private property rights??

The Libertarians Case Against Open Borders

http://mises.org/journals/jls/13_2/13_2_3.pdf

 

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

There was never an immigration issue. People immigrate here based on good intentions. Even if they immigrate here illegally, they are not "illegal." The issue is the economy. Nobody would care about the immigration issue or the borders, if everyone was free and prosperous.

People complain about the illegals "taking our jobs." The only reason people complain is because the economy has been declining rapidly for a while. Meaning, that the massive amounts of immigrants are coming here simultaneously while the economy is declining. They're not the cause of economic decline, per se, as much as it's just bad timing. Yes, the immigration issue compounds the economic issue, but it's not the cause.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

For the record I agree with the judge on this and I am glad he laid it out there. Immigration will never be controlled by armies or police forces or drones or machine gun nests. The economy will always control the border. Cheap labor is a good thing and market forces will decide when cheap labor is needed.

The problem arises when, after the dust has settled revealing the truth, those who work in cheap labor mirror the same social function once performed by the common housewife; likewise, those who work in the promiscuity of management mirror the same function as the husband. When the government of doers steps in, they alter the situation to the benefit of tyranny and to the detriment of the disadvantaged by trying to make everyone equal. So they advance women up into management with those being jobs that the husband would have typically handle. In doing so, they express their hypocritical beliefs in the status that the husband is more valuable to the family than the wife - that rather than they be a joint business they are separate. This shames a women away from being a woman who stays at home taking care of children. In the meantime, those who would be taking on more husband like jobs are forced into doing those jobs typically performed by the common housewife.
The fallacy is established that to rise up to the height of society, one has to read books and to go places. Women feel cheated having to stay at home while at the same time the husband gets to go out out into the world to involve himself in the mysterious matters of intrigue and romance. So, they talk to lawyers. These workers of inequity convince them that they can have their cake and eat it to. You can have the children at home and also the job in the high rise office building. Indeed, you can buy domestic servants to help you, one being a nanny to take care of the children and the other a housekeeper to clean the house.
When a woman calls a man a sexist, she is hypocritical in how she is buying into the fallacy that there is something wrong with being a woman and something right with being a man with this being one false dichotomy among an endless number of them. This is why I'm always trying to establish just one true dichotomy of an enthroned king on one of the political spectrum and a homeless prostitute on the other end of it.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Bullshit if ILLEGAL ALIENS do, Umulas. They don't deserve anything but their asses kicked out of the country. We are a nation of laws and they chose to break it.

 

[otherone]

Typical irrational answer.

We all have SS numbers, dude.

Get real.

 

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

What good is it to have a free and prosperous country if we're going to be Isolationists and close our borders to people who are simply seeking a better life?

 

[misean]

There was never an immigration issue. People immigrate here based on good intentions. Even if they immigrate here illegally, they are not "illegal." The issue is the economy. Nobody would care about the immigration issue or the borders, if everyone was free and prosperous.

People complain about the illegals "taking our jobs." The only reason people complain is because the economy has been declining rapidly for a while. Meaning, that the massive amounts of immigrants are coming here simultaneously while the economy is declining. They're not the cause of economic decline, per se, as much as it's just bad timing. Yes, the immigration issue compounds the economic issue, but it's not the cause.

The second part isn't correct. Immigrants do not hurt the economy or further economic decline. They decidedly help it as long as they don't get access to the social welfare system. The United States had essentially open borders for 130 years.

 

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

That isn't correct. Immigrants do not hurt the economy. They decidedly help it as long as they don't get access to the social welfare system. The United States had essentially open borders for 130 years.

I never stated that immigrants hurt the economy. I stated, that more people immigrating to the U.S. Compounds the economic problems. Why? Inserting more people into the job market when opportunities are gradually fading away, just means less opportunity for more and more people.

Immigration is good during prosperity.
Immigration is bad during decline.

 

[misean]

I never stated that immigrants hurt the economy. I stated, that more people immigrating to the U.S. Compounds the economic problems. Why? Inserting more people into the job market when opportunities are gradually fading away, just means less opportunity for more and more people.

Immigration is good during prosperity.
Immigration is bad during decline.

I got that's what you meant. That's why I modified my post. In practice you may be right. In a free market jobs are never scarce if prices and wages are allowed to normalize. Unions, minimum wage laws, and regulations may make that though. So maybe I agree with you. Lol.

 

[torchbearer]

everyone has a right to travel, and a person can only restrict such travel on their own land.
this thread is filled with tyrants who want to tell others what to do with their land.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

What good is it to have a free and prosperous country if we're going to be Isolationists and close our borders to people who are simply seeking a better life?

We aren't prosperous because we have the best government, the best lawyers, the best schools, the best teachers, the best corporations, or the best business executives. We are the most prosperous because of our Civil Purpose. This is our lightening in a bottle that we need to keep people away from. This is the reason so many have died in battles and in the workforce. Perhaps it is time for Mexicans to sign their Declaration of Independence, wrote their Mexican Constitution, and fought their revolutionary war?

 

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

We aren't prosperous because we have the best government, the best lawyers, the best schools, the best teachers, the best corporations, or the best business executives. We are the most prosperous because of our Civil Purpose. This is our lightening in a bottle that we need to keep people away from. This is the reason so many have died in battles and in the workforce. Perhaps it is time for Mexicans to sign their Declaration of Independence, wrote their Mexican Constitution, and fought their revolutionary war?

Yes, their conclusions about why we're that way are wrong. But, our system enables them to think that way. They still have no intention to "harm" others when immigrating here.

 

[otherone]

Perhaps it is time for Mexicans to sign their Declaration of Independence, wrote their Mexican Constitution, and fought their revolutionary war?

Funny, I was born here and didn't do any of those things. And Mexico wasn't mentioned.

 

[erowe1]

Well of course. It goes without saying that a free society has no state, no coercively-enforced monopoly on dispute resolution. So, in a free society I could buy up property, in whatever quantity I want, and manage that property, in whatever way I want. In a free society, every man's home is his castle, and he the king of it.

In a free society, from whom could you buy land? Is there someone out there who owns it to begin with and can sell it to you?

 

[RickyJ]

Bullshit.

There is no right to become a citizen of our country. There are all kinds of people who have followed our laws who are waiting in line to become citizens and we now are going to grant amnesty to those who broke our laws?

I firmly disagree with the Judge.

I agree, immigration to a different nation is not a "right," it is a "request" of the nation that you would like to immigrate to. Nations should have the right to accept people they want to accept and reject people they want to reject. I like Judge Napolitano, but I wholeheartedly disagree with him here. The sovereignty and independence of the USA has been fought for by brave men and women that sacrificed everything to have a nation of their own, they deserve the right to allow in who they want to and reject who they want to. Anyone that thinks different is welcome to leave this nation.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Yes, their conclusions about why we're that way are wrong. But, our system enables them to think that way. They still have no intention to "harm" others when immigrating here.

Why do we always think aliens are harmless whether they be terrestrial or extra terrestrial?

 

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

Why do we always think aliens are harmless whether they be terrestrial or extra terrestrial?

"Outsider's. Hisssss."