Judge Napolitano "Immigration is a right."

[cajuncocoa]

I support illegal aliens getting handouts exactly as much as I support citizens getting handouts.

I'm pretty sure the Judge would feel the same way about this, too.

 

[CaptUSA]

They aren't "immigrants"; they are ILLEGAL ALIENS.

They are only "illegal" because the government made them illegal. When a law is unjust, do you feel an obligation to adhere to that law?

I'm with you about making sure they are not profiting from our welfare system, but they are most certainly immigrants. If it were easier to declare themselves such, most of them would do so. When the Judge speaks of natural law, he's not speaking about the law of this government, but the natural right to move freely. The natural right to provide a better life for your family. The natural right to flee poor economic conditions for better ones. This is how nature fights tyranny. Of course, governments want to control movement of people - they don't want people to have freedom.

 

[CT4Liberty]

How can anyone begrudge an individual for trying to make a better life for themselves and their family? If I were in Mexico, living in poverty and could cross an imaginary line and get a job working hard scrubbing toilets and be able to put my kids into school in order to better their lives, I would do it as well.

So long as they dont come in and try to take my property or infringe on my rights, all the best to them on improving their lives.

 

[gwax23]

As always I agree with the judge.

 

[otherone]

lol. Statists in Liberty clothing.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

So long as they dont come in and try to take my property or infringe on my rights, all the best to them on improving their lives.

In reality, they're sucking up tax dollars and clogging up schools, prisons and hospitals. And if given the vote by being legalized, they'll mostly be voting for statist Democrats too. Hope that is okay with you.

 

[CaptUSA]

lol. Statists in Liberty clothing.

Liberty for me, but none for thee?

 

[CaptUSA]

In reality, they're sucking up tax dollars and clogging up schools, prisons and hospitals. And if given the vote by being legalized, they'll mostly be voting for statist Democrats too. Hope that is okay with you.

It's not ok with me. Hell, I don't think it's ok for any of us. But you can't defend liberty by restricting it.

 

[otherone]

they're sucking up tax dollars and clogging up schools, prisons and hospitals. And if given the vote by being legalized, they'll mostly be voting for statist Democrats too.

uh oh. Dropping the "they" bomb. And what are "they" having for breakfast today, o Great Karnak?

 

[fisharmor]

In reality, they're sucking up tax dollars and clogging up schools, prisons and hospitals. And if given the vote by being legalized, they'll mostly be voting for statist Democrats too. Hope that is okay with you.

Eliminate the schools and prisons: problem solved.
Deregulate the hospitals: problem solved.
Support a national party that doesn't treat them like subhuman vermin: problem solved.

Let's see how this logic works....
Problem A is a completely independent problem that causes far-reaching societal issues, including brainwashing children and locking up the ones whose conditioning doesn't take.
Problem B is, however, making problem A more expensive.
Therefore if we eliminate problem B, we'll all live happily ever after.

Does that sum it up?

 

[dinosaur]

Firmly disagree with a judge on this as well.

But it is an interesting position in that it would put an end to all wars if implimented internationally. All any bigger country would have to do when taking over a smaller country, is move a big enough "army" in there.

 

[CT4Liberty]

In reality, they're sucking up tax dollars and clogging up schools, prisons and hospitals. And if given the vote by being legalized, they'll mostly be voting for statist Democrats too. Hope that is okay with you.

You're talking about 2 different topics though:
1 is the right for someone to move their family and try to better themselves so long as they are not hurting anyone else.
The other is talking about our welfare state, which is something I dont support regardless of an individuals citizenship.

So if youre question is, do you support the welfare state? The answer is no, but I dont see how that has any impact on someone else moving their family to where they see the best opportunity and working hard to better themselves.

Are there leaches that move here with the sole intent of sucking the system dry? Absolutely, but the solution to that problem isnt to restrict people movement, its to stop the welfare state magnet that sucks them in. Because even without illegals, the welfare state will eventually bust itself, who knows, letting them in may just accelerate the process.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

uh oh. Dropping the "they" bomb. And what are "they" having for breakfast today, o Great Karnak?

It's 12-20 million people. How else do you propose anyone speak of them? One by one?

Yes, well, Jose spent last week with his MS-13 buddies smuggling drugs...

 

[CT4Liberty]

It's 12-20 million people. How else do you propose anyone speak of them? One by one?

Yes, well, Jose spent last week with his MS-13 buddies smuggling drugs...

So he got a job as a delivery man for a major pharmaceutical company? Good for Jose, I wish him the best, sounds like hes earning his place in society.

 

[BAllen]

You're talking about 2 different topics though:
1 is the right for someone to move their family and try to better themselves so long as they are not hurting anyone else.
The other is talking about our welfare state, which is something I dont support regardless of an individuals citizenship.

So if youre question is, do you support the welfare state? The answer is no, but I dont see how that has any impact on someone else moving their family to where they see the best opportunity and working hard to better themselves.

Are there leaches that move here with the sole intent of sucking the system dry? Absolutely, but the solution to that problem isnt to restrict people movement, its to stop the welfare state magnet that sucks them in. Because even without illegals, the welfare state will eventually bust itself, who knows, letting them in may just accelerate the process.

Have you forgotten the history of communists? They kill millions. If the funds for the welfare state run dry, they'll simply murder millions of citizens.

 

[UMULAS]

Anyone who has a problem with immigration (any type), please argue with me.

1_ Immigrants pay taxes
2_ Most immigrants don't get handouts
3_ Immigrants pay more taxes than most Americans


Finally, I fully support Judge Napolitano as a President for a libertarian using their brains.

 

[UMULAS]

Have you forgotten the history of communists? They kill millions. If the funds for the welfare state run dry, they'll simply murder millions of citizens.

I want evidence that if welfare (since minority of immigrants use it, and why not since they pay taxes) will they kill citizens.

Other than that, I smell the stormfront of the RPF's.

 

[CT4Liberty]

Have you forgotten the history of communists? They kill millions. If the funds for the welfare state run dry, they'll simply murder millions of citizens.

Well if we all agree that the funds WILL run dry, the question is a matter of when...lets get it over with sooner rather than later so that I may be the one to suffer and not my grandkids.

 

[UMULAS]

It's not ok with me. Hell, I don't think it's ok for any of us. But you can't defend liberty by restricting it.

Again I agree, abolish welfare. But most immigrants pay for welfare which is then a "right" since they are paying it.

 

[UMULAS]

There are already 12-20 million illegal aliens in this country. How many more do you think we need for prosperity?

Then you are a mercantilist, not a believer in the free-market.

And not all immigrants take jobs, immigrants make jobs. If you don't believe me, one day when you come and visit South Florida, I'll show you the average business men.