JP Morgan Silver Manipulation Scheme Unwinds

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JP Morgan Silver Manipulation Scheme Unwinds
Posted by ironstock on Dec 14, 2010 | 2 comments

–James Turk predicts $400 silver price by 2015


Years of public pressure on the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) from Bill Murphy and Chris Powell of Gold Anti-Trust Action committee (GATA) and Ted Butler of Butler Research to review the extraordinarily high concentration of futures shorts in the silver market has finally paid off, though the effort appeared hopeless many times along the way.


The Financial Times reports (sign-up required) that “JP Morgan has quietly reduced a large position in the U.S. silver futures market, which had been at the centre of a controversy about its impact on global prices for the precious metal.”


The FT continues: “The decision by JP Morgan was an attempt to deflect public criticism of the bank’s dealings in silver, a person familiar with the matter said. The person added that the bank’s position in silver would from now on be ‘materially smaller’ than in the past.”


Murphy, Powell and Butler led the charge to reestablish a fair playing field in the silver market, which they assert was riddled with unusually large selling activity from two major banks, JP Morgan and HSBC, in attempts to suppress the price of silver. All three men gave compelling examples, including data that showed massive short selling of silver futures by the banks on days of option expiry. In the case of Ted Butler, the quest began more than a decade ago.


But finally, a break in the complaints against the two banks emerged in September 2008 when the CFTC announced its investigation into charges of manipulation in the silver market, but the regulator declined to reveal the banks targeted in the investigation.


However, JP Morgan publicly stated: “It is absolutely incorrect to say or imply that the Nymex, CFTC or any other exchange or regulator has instructed or asked us to reduce our position.”


It wasn’t until October 2010 that a new CFTC commissioner, Bart Chilton, gave silver investors some real hope of leveling a playing field that appeared to morph more crookedly as time passed. He said there had been “fraudulent efforts” to “deviously control” the price of silver. The silver market was abuzz ever since.


In fact, many analysts close to the silver market said the scheme became too obvious to characterize the short-selling activity in the futures pits in any other way. News of lawsuits against JP Morgan and HSBC quickly spread through the Internet.


At one point this year, the CFTC Bank Participation Report indicated that a handful of banks held short positions of 30.2% of all outstanding silver contracts, with most, if not all contracts sold “naked,” or without a margin requirement to hold the position, speculates many analysts critical of JP Morgan and HSBC.


Moreover, in a speech on December 8, Chilton stated that “earlier this year, one trader held more than 40% of the silver market,” but he did not disclose the trader. It’s unknown whether the concentrated position was allowed to trade naked, as information regarding an individual trader is not disclosed, but the position size clearly raised eyebrows at the CFTC due to its infrequency in most other markets.


In reporting of an upcoming CFTC meeting in March 2010 to discuss position limits, Reuters stated: “Market participants, including commercial banks and trading houses, rarely exceed exchange position limits because of the cash margin requirements for large positions. Exchanges do not reveal customer names when position limits are hit.”


Reuters added: “Some players prefer to trade at over-the-counter markets, which are unregulated and more opaque.”


With the price of silver rising more than 70% since mid-August to reach a 30-year high of $30.68 per ounce, traders suspect JP Morgan and other banks were finally forced to begin aggressively unwinding these short positions, creating what is known as a “short squeeze.”


How long the unwinding process will take and how high the silver price will go is unknown. However, according to James Turk, founder of bullion storage service firm, goldmoney.com, the short squeeze in the silver market could be quite dramatic in its effect on the silver price.


In September, Turk said to King World News, “In the next few weeks as gold and silver rise it will be from a short squeeze the likes of which haven’t been seen since Cornelius Vanderbilt took on Daniel Drew in the legendary Erie Railroad short squeeze.”


Turk, who predicted silver would reach $30 by the end of November, was just shy of his prediction of early November by four trading days. His long-term forecast is for silver to reach $400 by 2015.



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It seems that silver follows gold. Gold is dropping right now and silver is dropping with it. For silver to take off, it is going to have to finally break away from gold and do its own thing like platinum did in 1999/2000. Platinum used to follow gold and was always $30 higher than gold. If gold was at $300, platinum was at $330. Then gold went down to $280 and platinum started to follow and then pulled away and shot straight up. That is what silver is going to have to do before these silver conspiracy theories hold water.
 
silver 2000 imo

woohoo we're all rich!

Just made a small purchase from Midas Resources today. They actually came in underneath apmex which was pretty surprising. Maybe just a sweetner because of the order size.
 
Have you been ignoring gold and silver since Sept? They have been trading independently of each other. Do they influence each other still? YES. But MANY MANY days have seen gold drop 10$ or so an ounce and silver either remain even or go up 5-20 cent per ounce.

I see gold going rather sideways until about March, maybe slight uptrend...and go big on the upside come March 2011...Silver will continue it's uptrend independent of gold, and probably end up around 35$ per ounce by March when gold breaks out again into the next trading level. Silver under 100$ per ounce is going to be seen as affordable come 2-3 years from now.

Once silver is around 40, and gold around 1450$ they will break out TOGETHER and 1700-2000$ gold will occur rather rapidly in the next 6-8 months, and silver will see rapid growth to 45-60$ range. UP UP UP from tehre.



It seems that silver follows gold. Gold is dropping right now and silver is dropping with it. For silver to take off, it is going to have to finally break away from gold and do its own thing like platinum did in 1999/2000. Platinum used to follow gold and was always $30 higher than gold. If gold was at $300, platinum was at $330. Then gold went down to $280 and platinum started to follow and then pulled away and shot straight up. That is what silver is going to have to do before these silver conspiracy theories hold water.
 
Have you been ignoring gold and silver since Sept? They have been trading independently of each other. Do they influence each other still? YES. But MANY MANY days have seen gold drop 10$ or so an ounce and silver either remain even or go up 5-20 cent per ounce.

I see gold going rather sideways until about March, maybe slight uptrend...and go big on the upside come March 2011...Silver will continue it's uptrend independent of gold, and probably end up around 35$ per ounce by March when gold breaks out again into the next trading level. Silver under 100$ per ounce is going to be seen as affordable come 2-3 years from now.

Once silver is around 40, and gold around 1450$ they will break out TOGETHER and 1700-2000$ gold will occur rather rapidly in the next 6-8 months, and silver will see rapid growth to 45-60$ range. UP UP UP from tehre.

I have noticed that there are times when silver has been hesitant to follow gold, but I am referring to a major separation; where silver goes up while gold is making a pullback. That is what happened with platinum and gold. Gold was going down, platinum started to follow, and then BOOM!!, it did a 180 and started shooting straight up. In fact, gold turned around and started following platinum.

What do you think of India and China's populace buying only gold and not silver? Do you think that will change and those people will start buying silver? If not, could it cause a major drop in silver if there is a big sell-off in gold? I ask because silver is so "flighty".
 
I have noticed that there are times when silver has been hesitant to follow gold, but I am referring to a major separation; where silver goes up while gold is making a pullback. That is what happened with platinum and gold. Gold was going down, platinum started to follow, and then BOOM!!, it did a 180 and started shooting straight up. In fact, gold turned around and started following platinum.

What do you think of India and China's populace buying only gold and not silver? Do you think that will change and those people will start buying silver? If not, could it cause a major drop in silver if there is a big sell-off in gold? I ask because silver is so "flighty".

Indian's silver demand is going up. China, I think, will purchase MUCH more silver than India. India will lead in GOLD demand between the two.

There are so many determining factors but it seems that a disconnect from the paper and physical PM markets is unavoidable. 60 dollar silver spot 20 dollar premiums.
 
I have noticed that there are times when silver has been hesitant to follow gold, but I am referring to a major separation; where silver goes up while gold is making a pullback. That is what happened with platinum and gold. Gold was going down, platinum started to follow, and then BOOM!!, it did a 180 and started shooting straight up. In fact, gold turned around and started following platinum.
What do you think of India and China's populace buying only gold and not silver? Do you think that will change and those people will start buying silver? If not, could it cause a major drop in silver if there is a big sell-off in gold? I ask because silver is so "flighty".

Do you have charts to support that? I see the last 2 year gold charts of gold and platinum being very similiar, and do not see a cause/effect relationship of gold prices following platinum.

Additionally, platinum has more industry uses, , whereas both gold and silver are seen more as an inflation hedge (not that they don't have industry uses as well).
 
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I have noticed that there are times when silver has been hesitant to follow gold, but I am referring to a major separation; where silver goes up while gold is making a pullback. That is what happened with platinum and gold. Gold was going down, platinum started to follow, and then BOOM!!, it did a 180 and started shooting straight up. In fact, gold turned around and started following platinum.

What do you think of India and China's populace buying only gold and not silver? Do you think that will change and those people will start buying silver? If not, could it cause a major drop in silver if there is a big sell-off in gold? I ask because silver is so "flighty".

Ahh, hate to break it to ya, but gold doesnt HAVE to go down for major separation! It has already started this year. Silver up 53% MORE than gold this year...




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At one point this year, the CFTC Bank Participation Report indicated that a handful of banks held short positions of 30.2% of all outstanding silver contracts, with most, if not all contracts sold “naked,” or without a margin requirement to hold the position, speculates many analysts critical of JP Morgan and HSBC.

Can anyone link that actual data? Primary sources, none of this Wikipedia stuff, yahear?
 
Ahh, hate to break it to ya, but gold doesnt HAVE to go down for major separation! It has already started this year. Silver up 53% MORE than gold this year...




Asset
Price on 1/1/10
Price today
% Change

US Dollar Index
77.5
79.29
+2%

Oil
82.75
88.86
+7%

Gold
1,137
1,392
+22%
Silver
16.81
29.44
+75%
Wheat*
201
274
+36%

Corn*
167
236
+41%

Poultry**
83
85
+2%

Sugar **
21
28
+33%


* per metric ton

** cents per pound

Nice --- love reading your work Mogambo Guru (usually via Agora emails). Hope it's warm in your bunker. Welcome to RPFs (if you're the true Mogambo).
 
^^No, I am not the Mogambo that you read... But I do spend a lot of time in my Mogambo Bunker Of Fear (MBOF)!!! LOL.. I love reading his stuff too.

Thanks for the welcome bruno! I really like this site, I am a huge Ron Paul fan.

Cowlesy, do I still get a welcome even if I'm not THEE Mogumbo! I carry the same We’re Freaking Doomed (WFD) attitude, and Mindless Frantic Gold And Silver Buying (MFGASB)! :eek:
 
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Do you have charts to support that? I see the last 2 year gold charts of gold and platinum being very similiar, and do not see a cause/effect relationship of gold prices following platinum.

Additionally, platinum has more industry uses, , whereas both gold and silver are seen more as an inflation hedge (not that they don't have industry uses as well).

I am referring to when gold hit a bottom in 1999/2000. Gold continued to drop, platinum was hesitant, then followed, then when gold dropped to its lowest, platinum pulled away and shot up. In time gold followed. Of course, there was a demand for platinum because the auto industry was beginning a "boom", and there was a shortage of platinum, but prior to that platinum always stayed $30 an ounce above gold and followed gold wherever it went.
 
Side note: Platinum and platinum group are two different things. Platinum is platinum, platinum group is made up of six different elements. Platinum is most often used in diesel catalytic converters, palladium in gas converters.

Platinum and palladium have very different demand from one another, and from other precious metals. Platinum tends to become really popular in jewelry as it falls in price because it is, I think, the prettiest metal. Whiter than silver, looks amazing...striking!

Anyway, compared to silver and gold, platinum and palladium are demanded very sparingly by investors. Instead, they're demanded mostly in industry, then for use in automotive catalytic converters, then jewelry, then investment. Compare that to gold and silver, which are primarily investment and jewelry.

One of the biggest sources of platinum/palladium demand, autos, are making a comeback. Subprime auto loans are increasing, and the average age of the American car fleet recently rose past 10 years and to a range of 125,000-150,000 odometer miles. That's a whole lotta cars that are soon to be replaced. Then there are upcoming air quality regulations in January which are far more strict than before. Of course, any changes in investment demand only multiply that effect, and to that end, palladium coins were just approved by the US mint. ;)

As far as I'm concerned, platinum/palladium are great bet. You've got upside potential in catalytic converters and negative real interest rates, as well as downside protection in platinum from jewelry demand. ETFSecurities ETFs are raking in the investment cash, too.
 
Good post.

Side note: Platinum and platinum group are two different things. Platinum is platinum, platinum group is made up of six different elements. Platinum is most often used in diesel catalytic converters, palladium in gas converters.

Platinum and palladium have very different demand from one another, and from other precious metals. Platinum tends to become really popular in jewelry as it falls in price because it is, I think, the prettiest metal. Whiter than silver, looks amazing...striking!

Anyway, compared to silver and gold, platinum and palladium are demanded very sparingly by investors. Instead, they're demanded mostly in industry, then for use in automotive catalytic converters, then jewelry, then investment. Compare that to gold and silver, which are primarily investment and jewelry.

One of the biggest sources of platinum/palladium demand, autos, are making a comeback. Subprime auto loans are increasing, and the average age of the American car fleet recently rose past 10 years and to a range of 125,000-150,000 odometer miles. That's a whole lotta cars that are soon to be replaced. Then there are upcoming air quality regulations in January which are far more strict than before. Of course, any changes in investment demand only multiply that effect, and to that end, palladium coins were just approved by the US mint. ;)

As far as I'm concerned, platinum/palladium are great bet. You've got upside potential in catalytic converters and negative real interest rates, as well as downside protection in platinum from jewelry demand. ETFSecurities ETFs are raking in the investment cash, too.
 
I have noticed that there are times when silver has been hesitant to follow gold, but I am referring to a major separation; where silver goes up while gold is making a pullback. That is what happened with platinum and gold. Gold was going down, platinum started to follow, and then BOOM!!, it did a 180 and started shooting straight up. In fact, gold turned around and started following platinum.

What do you think of India and China's populace buying only gold and not silver? Do you think that will change and those people will start buying silver? If not, could it cause a major drop in silver if there is a big sell-off in gold? I ask because silver is so "flighty".

There has been a few days where silver has pulled gold higher this year, but if you are talking longer term, as in more than a few days, then I don't think it has done that. One such day:

http://jsmineset.com/2010/08/25/extraordinary-action-in-silver-helping-pull-gold-higher/

Also just a little research and you will find that in both China and India sales of silver have dramatically increased.
 
China and India, like many other countries, are absorbing silver and gold like dry sponges.
 
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