Jon Stewart in High Form-

[speciallyblend]

if everyone believes the government has no right to be involved in marriage. then how does that give you the right to be involved in someone elses marriage,sounds like common sense to me.. if folks don;t want government involved then why should you be involved in another marriage, you guys want your cake and to eat it to. 1+1=2 if government isn't involved nor should you be in others decisions toget married seems very logical.

if your gonna imply it is not the governments business how is it your business!!

 

[speciallyblend]

I think marriage should not be politically recognized. So two gay people can say they are married and there is nothing you can do about it.

so explain how that gives them legal rights as a couple if kids or money or assets??? the same could be said for straight folks then,once again if you want government out of it. then apply it to yourself to, meaning stay out of others affairs and marriages. if you want government out it, then you must want yourself out of it.

so you want the gov out of it,but then you want to interfer in others lives by suggesting you can classify marriage and not the government. this is exaclty what your saying basically no??

a tyrannt is a tyrannt government or you.

 

[Stary Hickory]

Two gays getting married has nothing to do with your marriage. If it does, then something is wrong.

Oh common can we afford to be this ignorant. It does to a lot of people. It's viewed as an attack on the institution of marriage itself. The idea and institution of marriage is what many people turn to, to build families and build a future with love in it.

We can just pretend that people who oppose gay marriage are just "evil" but this is just as silly as saying terrorists are evil creatures without reasoning. The whole cause of this clash between gay rights activists and anti-gay rights activists is fear. For the gay community to not even acknowledge this and to proceed in a combative manner in resolving respect issues in society, is undermining their own cause.

Frankly I am sick of seeing it. It's stupid. Yes gay couples should have the same legal rights as heterosexual couples. But if gays really want acceptance and respect then they ought to also realize that disrespecting those they seek to get respect from is not the way to do it.

However I withdraw my support when they simply go in "attack" mode and get all in your face about it. I do support the legal side of it, but the respect side is something they must deal with on their own. People have the right to dislike you based on sexual orientation. It may be an ignorant position, but still they have that right. But it's also ignorant to not be considerate of established customs and religious beliefs when interacting with other people....many in the gay community simply spit on all of this....which of course is going to create conflict, because it is viewed as an attack on religious beliefs and traditions very close to the hearts of many Americans.

A little common sense and respect for others would help both sides of this issue.

 

[silverhandorder]

so explain how that gives them legal rights as a couple if kids or money or assets??? the same could be said for straight folks then,once again if you want government out of it. then apply it to yourself to, meaning stay out of others affairs and marriages. if you want government out it, then you must want yourself out of it.

so you want the gov out of it,but then you want to interfer in others lives by suggesting you can classify marriage and not the government. this is exaclty what your saying basically no??

I am saying that government should not be classifying people as married or not.

 

[speciallyblend]

I am saying that government should not be classifying people as married or not.

well we are not there yet so for now gays should have the same equal rights and law protections as straight folks until you get government out it you cant have equal rights for straights and not gays

 

[silverhandorder]

well we are not there yet so for now gays should have the same equal rights and law protections as straight folks until you get government out it you cant have equal rights for straights and not gays

Ofcourse.

 

[speciallyblend]

Oh common can we afford to be this ignorant. It does to a lot of people. It's viewed as an attack on the institution of marriage itself. The idea and institution of marriage is what many people turn to, to build families and build a future with love in it.

We can just pretend that people who oppose gay marriage are just "evil" but this is just as silly as saying terrorists are evil creatures without reasoning. The whole cause of this clash between gay rights activists and anti-gay rights activists is fear. For the gay community to not even acknowledge this and to proceed in a combative manner in resolving respect issues in society, is undermining their own cause.

Frankly I am sick of seeing it. It's stupid. Yes gay couples should have the same legal rights as heterosexual couples. But if gays really want acceptance and respect then they ought to also realize that disrespecting those they seek to get respect from is not the way to do it.

However I withdraw my support when they simply go in "attack" mode and get all in your face about it. I do support the legal side of it, but the respect side is something they must deal with on their own. People have the right to dislike you based on sexual orientation. It may be an ignorant position, but still they have that right. But it's also ignorant to not be considerate of established customs and religious beliefs when interacting with other people....many in the gay community simply spit on all of this....which of course is going to create a conflict, because it is viewed as an attack on religious beliefs and traditions very close to the hearts of many Americans.

A little common sense and respect for others would help both sides of this issue.

the only ignorance is you failing to see they can use the word marriage. please show me a patent or copyright please, why does it concern you unless your being forced to marry a guy.. marriage was around before religion so what are you trying to say, religion has nothing to do with marriage actually religion hi-jacked marriage from pagans deal with your church if you have your church marrying gays then deal with your church.

you have this idea that religion invented marriage, WRONG, they co-opted it into their beliefs

 

[Met Income]

Oh common can we afford to be this ignorant. It does to a lot of people. It's viewed as an attack on the institution of marriage itself. The idea and institution of marriage is what many people turn to, to build families and build a future with love in it.

We can just pretend that people who oppose gay marriage are just "evil" but this is just as silly as saying terrorists are evil creatures without reasoning. The whole cause of this clash between gay rights activists and anti-gay rights activists is fear. For the gay community to not even acknowledge this and to proceed in a combative manner in resolving respect issues in society, is undermining their own cause.

Frankly I am sick of seeing it. It's stupid. Yes gay couples should have the same legal rights as heterosexual couples. But if gays really want acceptance and respect then they ought to also realize that disrespecting those they seek to get respect from is not the way to do it.

However I withdraw my support when they simply go in "attack" mode and get all in your face about it. I do support the legal side of it, but the respect side is something they must deal with on their own. People have the right to dislike you based on sexual orientation. It may be an ignorant position, but still they have that right. But it's also ignorant to not be considerate of established customs and religious beliefs when interacting with other people....many in the gay community simply spit on all of this....which of course is going to create conflict, because it is viewed as an attack on religious beliefs and traditions very close to the hearts of many Americans.

A little common sense and respect for others would help both sides of this issue.

An institution? Marriage is between two people. Don't let other people affect your marriage, it's not fair to your partner. Do what you gotta do, and let other people do their thing. It's not that hard. When you're happy with your life, you could care less what other people do with theirs.

The attack doesn't matter, the principle does. It doesn't matter if abolitionists are passive or aggressive -- slavery is still wrong.

 

[speciallyblend]

the only way gays could effect your marriage is if you and your wife are peeping toms and watching 2 guys or 2 girls get it on in their own house. which then means your breaking laws

gays getting married has nothing to do with the sanctity of me and my wifes marriage.

this is 1+1=2 why are you guys trying to complicate something that isn't!! unless your homophobic or scared you will turn gay but you can't since being gay is not a choice.

what you folks are doing is letting your personal feeling and thoughts dictate others lives which is not sane or anything close to Liberty or common sense!!

 

[Stary Hickory]

the only ignorance is you failing to see they can use the word marriage. please show me a patent or copyright please, why does it concern you unless your being forced to marry a guy.. marriage was around before religion so what are you trying to say, religion has nothing to do with marriage actually religion hi-jacked marriage from pagans deal with your church if you have your church marrying gays then deal with your church.

you have this idea that religion invented marriage, WRONG, they co-opted it into their beliefs

First toss the ignorant bit somewhere else please...preferably back at yourself. Show me where I said they cannot call it marriage?...And don't put words in my mouth next time please...if you want to argue with your own statements there is no need for me to be involved.

Ok what are you saying? You are simply ignoring the reality....regardless of what you personally believe, many in America associate marriage with families and the people they love. Gay marriage is seen as an assault on this. And hence the reaction. To deny this is to remain in the dark about the whole situation...and ineveitably we will have nothing but name yelling and conflict as people flail at each other not understanding each others motives...or even trying to.

I don't give a pass to gay activists or those who oppose them. I do think it's silly to say that people's customs and traditions don't matter. How many of us here when going into another country or a household with their own traditions and customs would brazenly act in an unacceptable manner? I do understand that gays want respect and this is the cause of their frustration...and this is what I am saying....what they want is respect.

I think the legal part of it is an easy fix....but it runs deeper than that. It's about respect and if they think that this can be fixed via legislation they are delusional. This is why I support legally giving gays the same status...anyways I think it's BS that the government has any say in what is what anyways. But if the government is going to do this, then gays deserve equal rights for legal status.

 

[STAND-or-fall]

Hate to be the one to 'stir the puddin' here but gays DO have the same rights as the rest of us. They have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. Just like me. If I tried to marry a dude it would be just as illegal as if a gay did it. Now hold on. I personally think they should be able to avail themselves of the same legal benefits as the rest of us. Maybe they should start by framing the arguement in a way that dos not defy legal logic?

 

[Met Income]

Hate to be the one to 'stir the puddin' here but gays DO have the same rights as the rest of us. They have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. Just like me. If I tried to marry a dude it would be just as illegal as if a gay did it. Now hold on. I personally think they should be able to avail themselves of the same legal benefits as the rest of us. Maybe they should start by framing the arguement in a way that dos not defy legal logic?

The State does not have the moral right to use violence to deny voluntary transactions between others (if they do not violate property rights, of course). What you're advocating is immoral.

 

[Stary Hickory]

An institution? Marriage is between two people. Don't let other people affect your marriage, it's not fair to your partner. Do what you gotta do, and let other people do their thing. It's not that hard. When you're happy with your life, you could care less what other people do with theirs.

The attack doesn't matter, the principle does. It doesn't matter if abolitionists are passive or aggressive -- slavery is still wrong.

Where you are going with the slavery bit is beyond me. Marriage is and always has been man and woman....lets not say this is not so. You offer a new definition that is in deep conflict with the established one. This is something you cannot simply glaze over(it's the very source of the conflict).

And here is the question: If this is truly about gay rights why the insistence it be called "marriage". It's just a word, legal status can be granted without it. I will repeat it's about respect. I don't really get involved in the gay rights movement much myself...but I don't oppose it. I'd like to see them have legal status, but that is where I draw the line(for my support). Personally I think the government should be completely out of the marriage business. Many Americans simply want to see the institution of traditional marriage in tact....unaffected. And this is natural and fine(That is its normal and understandable - they consider it a foundation for family and morality).

But by all means lets keep the feuding alive. And be totally ignorant of the other's side so we can look forward to years more of people yelling past each other. Like I said I get it that gays are upset because many in America look upon them with disdain...but forcing the government to come in and make people change their estimation of the gay community is immoral and stupid...it can't work.

 

[jmdrake]

I liked the first section - about the banking industry.

Stewart is definitely a liberal though. Gay people can be gay all they want - but I don't see why they should be allowed to marry someone of the same sex. That is not equal rights that is more rights.

 

[Met Income]

Where you are going with the slavery bit is beyond me. Marriage is and always has been man and woman...

You can make as many abstract rules as you want. It still does not give you the right to interfere with a voluntary transaction.

.lets not say this is not so. You offer a new definition that is in deep conflict with the established one. This is something you cannot simply glaze over.

And here is the question: If this is truly about gay rights why the insistence it be called "marriage". It's just a word, legal status can be granted without it. I will repeat it's about respect. I don't really get involved in the gay rights movement much myself...but I don't oppose it. I'd like to see them have legal status, but that is where I draw the line. Personally I think the government should be completely out of the marriage business. Many Americans simply want to see the institution of traditional marriage in tact....unaffected. And this is natural and fine.

The gay communities intent is irrelevant. I don't care if their only reason is simply to piss heterosexuals people off. It still doesn't give you the right to interfere. It doesn't matter.

But by all means lets keep the feuding alive. And be totally ignorant of the other's side so we can look forward to years more of people yelling past each other. Like I said I get it that gays are upset because many in America look upon them with disdain...but forcing the government to come in and make people change their estimation of the gay community is immoral and stupid...it can't work.

Or, you could get out of someone's way and let them live your life and you live yours.

 

[speciallyblend]

First toss the ignorant bit somewhere else please...preferably back at yourself. Show me where I said they cannot call it marriage?...And don't put words in my mouth next time please...if you want to argue with your own statements there is no need for me to be involved.

Ok what are you saying? You are simply ignoring the reality....regardless of what you personally believe, many in America associate marriage with families and the people they love. Gay marriage is seen as an assault on this. And hence the reaction. To deny this is to remain in the dark about the whole situation...and ineveitably we will have nothing but name yelling and conflict as people flail at each other not understanding each others motives...or even trying to.

I don't give a pass to gay activists or those who oppose them. I do think it's silly to say that people's customs and traditions don't matter. How many of us here when going into another country or a household with their own traditions and customs would brazenly act in an unacceptable manner? I do understand that gays want respect and this is the cause of their frustration...and this is what I am saying....what they want is respect.

I think the legal part of it is an easy fix....but it runs deeper than that. It's about respect and if they think that this can be fixed via legislation they are delusional. This is why I support legally giving gays the same status...anyways I think it's BS that the government has any say in what is what anyways. But if the government is going to do this, then gays deserve equal rights for legal status.

bottom line if it isn't the governments business, it isn't your business
you only want liberty for yourself and the folks you do not agree with deserve none. enjoy your marriage and stay out of me and my wifes and everyone elses'. that is the best way for you to deal with gay marriage. your customs and traditions do not matter unless you marry a gay person. what others do does not concern your traditions or customs. gays can marry so we agree

bottom line if it isn't the governments business, it isn't your business unless someone is forcing you to marry same sex what is the problem again??

reading the post i read your saying it is ok for gays to get married! sorry to put words in your mouth i am speaking in general,

 

[Stary Hickory]

bottom line if it isn't the governments business, it isn't your business
you only want liberty for yourself and the folks you do not agree with deserve none. enjoy your marriage and stay out of me and my wifes and everyone elses'. that is the best way for you to deal with gay marriage. your customs and traditions do not matter unless you marry a gay person. what others do does not concern your traditions or customs. gays can marry so we agree

bottom line if it isn't the governments business, it isn't your business unless someone is forcing you to marry same sex what is the problem again??

Well get the government out of the marriage business then....this is your only moral route. The gay community is not asking for this. They want the government to define gay marriage and heterosexual marriage as being the same thing.....this is where the problem resides.

It is not the government's job to decide these things.

 

[speciallyblend]

Well get the government out of the marriage business then....this is your only moral route. The gay community is not asking for this. They want the government to define gay marriage and heterosexual marriage as being the same thing.....this is where the problem resides.

It is not the government's job to decide these things.

well then we should be organizing with the gay community to remove marriage in general, and base this movement on less taxes and let them know many of us agree with what they are doing and many of us do not,but we agree the government shouldn't be involved in marriage. if we approach the bottom line and be honest even if some disagree.
i think that would be a huge step forward no? not that the gop would do that

we would have to make sure they are protected with legal rights on certain issues for courts no??
sorry about the ignorance comment, not a good choice of words.

 

[speciallyblend]

you know what then don't open the thread jmdrake, just a passionate discussion and gay is in the op

i also feel the anti-folks are making this more an issue then the gays. typical gop tactics divide attack,sometimes it rubs off

 

[speciallyblend]

would be interesting uniting the gay movement and anti-gay movement under tax reform and removing marriage from the government all together.

but something tells me that will not make the anti-gay marriage folks happy.. or would it?