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[Ender]

I don't recall ever having heard Anti Federalist or Mini-Me shouting "comply!"

He's talking about the Trumpalumpa name-callers.

 

[devil21]

What [MENTION=2727]devil21[/MENTION] is saying is that at the top there is no fucking difference between Dems & Repubs.

And, he's right.

I don't blame people for not fully understanding what I'm saying, because most have not dove into the rabbit hole to discover what philosophies bind the "faces" together. The philosophies invariably are minor variations of the same "vision" that Mini-me described in his opening sentence. I've tried to shed some light on it in various posts on RPF yet few, if any, ever reply to those posts, while the conversation usually continues as if I hadn't posted at all. Oh well.

 

[acptulsa]

He's talking about the Trumpalumpa name-callers.

They've been shouting, "Comply!" all along. The big difference here is, Mini-Me is now shouting, "Comply!" in unison with them.

Yes, I understand the point. Jump on an existing cause that already has people fired up. If you can't get the right brush fire burning, find an existing brush fire and fan the flames.

It's an argument that isn't without merit. On the other hand, there's that other, pesky argument. The powers that be have presented our choice as being between one tyrant or another. Did the Poles, in 1939, comply and say, "Gee, we have no choice but choose between Stalin and Hitler"?

To use the existing brush fire to burn what actually needs to go would be brilliant. Unfortunately, this bit of arson by the Powers That Be was not designed to do that. This fire is upwind from our homes, not theirs. What I have not heard, what I do not see, is a way to divert and subvert this brush fire from our homes toward the bad guys.

Until I do, it smells to me like a fool's errand.

 

[Anti Federalist]

They've been shouting, "Comply!" all along. The big difference here is, Mini-Me is now shouting, "Comply!" in unison with them.

Yes, I understand the point. Jump on an existing cause that already has people fired up. If you can't get the right brush fire burning, find an existing brush fire and fan the flames.

It's an argument that isn't without merit. On the other hand, there's that other, pesky argument. The powers that be have presented our choice as being between one tyrant or another. Did the Poles, in 1939, comply and say, "Gee, we have no choice but choose between Stalin and Hitler"?

To use the existing brush fire to burn what actually needs to go would be brilliant. Unfortunately, this bit of arson by the Powers That Be was not designed to do that. This fire is upwind from our homes, not theirs. What I have not heard, what I do not see, is a way to divert and subvert this brush fire from our homes toward the bad guys.

Until I do, it smells to me like a fool's errand.

Well...nobody is going to do much of anything but bitch and complain and write SWLODs, so whether that brush fire consumes your home and all you care about, will be decided by others.

We don't do anything.

Only the Marxist left does anything.

And when they do, they win...this clearly shows that.

Riots, violence and burning shit down gets attention, billions of dollars in donations, immediate capitulation of local government and electoral victory at the federal level.

We sit around and double dutch rudder each other in pointless, endless arguments about nothing.

 

[acptulsa]

Riots, violence and burning $#@! down gets attention, billions of dollars in donations, immediate capitulation of local government and electoral victory at the federal level.

What gets attention and billions of dollars is what serves the purposes of those who have the billions and own the media. Our biggest problem is, we have so much faith in the free market that we think we could actually force the media to point their cameras and microphones in a direction that might harm the oligarchs, and that there are honest people who could collectively contribute billions.

The reality is, honest people have been getting robbed for decades and have nothing left to give, and real journalists are either blackballed or dead.

Point to the Marxists all you want and proclaim, what they're doing is working. It won't work for us. If we can't concoct a strategy that doesn't rely on the media, we can't concoct a workable plan. I've said it before, and you seem to agree every time, but again and again you come back to, "The people with the Massive Propaganda Army are doing this and we can too!" Yo, AF. Without a Massive Propaganda Army, our results will vary.

The only good I can even imagine coming out of this debacle is the end of the fiction that this is still a constitutional representative democracy. The federal government is not legitimate. It has no foundation in the laws of the land any more. If we can make that what people take away from this election, we might do some good.

The 1:48 mark is exactly what we need to spam:

 

[Occam's Banana]

He's talking about the Trumpalumpa name-callers.

He was replying to someone (jmdrake) who was replying directly to Mini-Me and indirectly to Anti Federalist.

No other context was provided for who he meant by "they."

 

[Anti Federalist]

Point to the Marxists all you want and proclaim, what they're doing is working. It won't work for us. If we can't concoct a strategy that doesn't rely on the media, we can't concoct a workable plan. I've said it before, and you seem to agree every time, but again and again you come back to, "The people with the Massive Propaganda Army are doing this and we can too!" Yo, AF. Without a Massive Propaganda Army, our results will vary.

Why does the Marxist left have the media organs in their pocket?

It's not all because of kindred ideologies, not by a long shot.

I know how to solve that problem, btw...

 

[Anti Federalist]

He was replying to someone (jmdrake) who was replying directly to Mini-Me and indirectly to Anti Federalist.

No other context was provided for who he meant by "they."

Yeah, that confused me as well.

Comply...with what? to whom?

My whole point in all this is to say that there is a clear difference between a political figure who will use force of government to coerce your compliance with mandates and fatwas and one who will not, or varying degrees thereof.

I changed my mind, made my case for Trump as calmly and rationally as I could and tried to persuade others to do the same.

I will maintain that we'd all have been better off had it worked out that way.

But it didn't...so...moving on.

 

[Ender]

He was replying to someone (jmdrake) who was replying directly to Mini-Me and indirectly to Anti Federalist.

No other context was provided for who he meant by "they."

I read it as a general term- not personal.

 

[Danke]

It must be extremely easy living in a world where you can disingenuously straw man the hell out of people and never feel any shame for it. When you find yourself being smug and condescending in everything you write for years on end, you might want to start looking at yourself in a mirror.

perfect

 

[Danke]

It must be extremely easy living in a world where you can disingenuously straw man the hell out of people and never feel any shame for it. When you find yourself being smug and condescending in everything you write for years on end, you might want to start looking at yourself in a mirror.

'Spot on

 

[nobody's_hero]

I guess I missed this thread when I was fasting from the forums after election day, and for me the experience was the same when it came to faith. I know that Christians all around the world are praying for this country.

It really isn't about Trump.

 

[PAF]

This thread is moot.

Most people in this country, let alone the rest of the world, have been conditioned to comply, and will comply if they wish to work, shop, travel, etc. The bottom line is money, survival and fun.

Some things will be driven underground. Agorists, AnCaps, anarchists will search those markets out and utilize them to the best of their ability. The rest of the voting-class will do as they are told, as certain as they walk through TSA scanners and apply and pay for CCW permission slips each and every day.

Talk is nice. Philosophy is nice. Whether hoping and waiting for somebody else to start a revolution, or if you take responsibility to start one yourself, is not productive, nor will it accomplish much with todays technology, and population mentality. Unless somebody has a plan to once and for all eliminate the fed/central banking, take all of the wealth away from all of the elite and somehow pull the power plug out of the NSA, satellites and other apparatus around the world.

I have become an Agorist because it is in my best interest. The rest of you can fight over which team wins even just to prove a point, and they thank you for your service.

 

[showpan]

grifters

No.

You guys really need to take this word out of that program you are using to troll the web with. In case you weren't aware of this yet, It's now just a flag that simply exposes you....lmao

 

[Working Poor]

HorAY for the black market keeping prices fair for you and me.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

In this thread, Anti Federalist wrote:

He is absolutely correct about the polarization between two visions. There is another realpolitik globalist totalitarian vision lurking behind the ideological communist useful idiots, but that's beside the point.

The point is, the battle for liberty is no longer about libertarians and Constitutionalists vs. everybody else, fighting a noble quest against the tightening of the noose within a never-ending status quo. It is now about Americans vs. globalist totalitarians and their minions.

AF said that "[Trump] represents the the (sic) entire range of thought from Ana-Caps (sic) to Neo-Cons."

There is nothing common between ancaps and neocons unless one, or both, abandon everything they believe.

So, how can they unite around Trump?

Because supporting Trump is not about policies; it's just about Trump.

It's a personality cult wherein everybody projects everything they want onto this great leader.

...except, in bright daylight, great leader is of low intelligence, no knowledge, and highly irregular psychology.

 

[Anti Federalist]

AF said that "[Trump] represents the the (sic) entire range of thought from Ana-Caps (sic) to Neo-Cons."

There is nothing common between ancaps and neocons unless one, or both, abandon everything they believe.

So, how can they unite around Trump?

Because supporting Trump is not about policies; it's just about Trump.

It's a personality cult wherein everybody projects everything they want onto this great leader.

...except, in bright daylight, great leader is of low intelligence, no knowledge, and highly irregular psychology.

I support Orange Man as a symbol. A symbol, that for better or worse right now, represents the the entire range of thought from Ana-Caps to Neo-Cons and everything in between. The sea of people that, for the most part, want to be left alone to live their lives, with a minimum of government interference, control and regulation and peaceful co-existence with their neighbors, without sticking their noses in their business

I stand by that analysis.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I stand by that analysis.

You think that this administration has served those who "want to be left alone to live their lives, with a minimum of government interference, control and regulation and peaceful co-existence with their neighbors, without sticking their noses in their business?" The trillions of dollars in federal spending will just be paid by aliens from Mars, I suppose, or by no one, or by magic? If so, why not be a socialist? If the federal government can spend any amount of money with no consequences, let's all be millionaires! How on Earth will those of you endorsing this past year's profligacy criticize what's coming with Biden? Ah, wait, nevermind, I know: massive hypocrisy.

 

[Anti Federalist]

You think that this administration has served those who "want to be left alone to live their lives, with a minimum of government interference, control and regulation and peaceful co-existence with their neighbors, without sticking their noses in their business?" The trillions of dollars in federal spending will just be paid by aliens from Mars, I suppose, or by no one, or by magic? If so, why not be a socialist? If the federal government can spend any amount of money with no consequences, let's all be millionaires! How on Earth will those of you endorsing this past year's profligacy criticize what's coming with Biden? Ah, wait, nevermind, I know: massive hypocrisy.

Yes, pretty much that.

The debt is meaningless at this point...it will never be repaid...like saying I'll dog paddle the 4 light years to Alpha Centauri...numbers so stratospheric as to be meaningless.

I feel bad for whoever gets left without a seat when the music stops, but other than that, it's of no further concern of mine.

And no, I don't think that this administration has done nearly enough to serve that constituency.

This administration will prove to have done markedly better than the incoming administration will, however.

When you catch me criticizing the Biden administration over a policy because of spending, then you can call me a hypocrite.

 

[pcosmar]

You think that this administration has served those who "want to be left alone to live their lives, with a minimum of government interference, control and regulation and peaceful co-existence with their neighbors, without sticking their noses in their business?" The trillions of dollars in federal spending will just be paid by aliens from Mars, I suppose, or by no one, or by magic? If so, why not be a socialist? If the federal government can spend any amount of money with no consequences, let's all be millionaires! How on Earth will those of you endorsing this past year's profligacy criticize what's coming with Biden? Ah, wait, nevermind, I know: massive hypocrisy.

Yes,
As an old Ex =Con and Ron Paul supporter, I can say the Donald Trump has Done me less harm than previous, and Promised administrations.