Gary Johnson Johnson 2012 over obamney!

[cajuncocoa]

Vote Gary Johnson.

*sigh*

I said it earlier today: this is beginning to look more and more like the "Gary Johnson Forums" than Ron Paul's.

I'm getting more disappointed with the posts I'm seeing on this board all the time.

 

[cheapseats]

*sigh*

I said it earlier today: this is beginning to look more and more like the "Gary Johnson Forums" than Ron Paul's.

I'm getting more disappointed with the posts I'm seeing on this board all the time.

Now you know how Freedom Fighters felt while GOP ONLY people let the Libertarian Party and Americans Elect longer-long-shot options simply evaporate . . . poof, gone . . . rather than advance multiple plays/strategies on the battlefield.

 

[Respect38]

*sigh*

I said it earlier today: this is beginning to look more and more like the "Gary Johnson Forums" than Ron Paul's.

I'm getting more disappointed with the posts I'm seeing on this board all the time.

I fail to see how you've been led to this conclusion. This very much is and will always be Ron Paul's forums.

Thing is, if this Ron Paul R3volution doesn't work out, then we need a plan B.

If Ron Paul does not get the GOP nomination, then there is 0% chance of Paul getting into the White House.

Getting someone (preferably Paul) who has views like us into the White House would be our #1 priority. If that priority is brought to a 0% chance, then we move on to the #2 priority.

#2 priority, to me, is to make a statement and maybe long-term effects to America. It is MY OPINION that writing-in Ron Paul in November will do neither of these things. At this point, all of the options to replace chairmen among other things would be long gone, and any opportunities to make changes we could make to the GOP would have already passed by. So then the next option, for me, would be to put my support in a party that I best believes continues the legacy that Ron Paul has left with us, and I feel like that party is the Libertarian Party.

So, I would personally vote for Gary Johnson on the Libertarian ticket for president, if I could.

 

[misean]

*sigh*

I said it earlier today: this is beginning to look more and more like the "Gary Johnson Forums" than Ron Paul's.

I'm getting more disappointed with the posts I'm seeing on this board all the time.

I think people want to figure out how best to have an impact in seeing free market values advanced. All of these local elections are huge. Getting peoplein power locally is big. I highly doubt a write in campaign is going to have a big impact. Gary Johnson on the other hand could (though won't unfortunately from reading the forums) get 5-15% of the vote if there was a concerted effort to back him. It would be good to have someone besides Paul in the national debates. A lost of people automatically shut down when they hear Paul talk and assume he is a fringe kook from what they hear from the radio hosts. It would be nice to have similar values echoed by someone else on that scale.

 

[69360]

Ron or Rand as VP will get my vote for Romney.

If Ron doesn't win and doesn't run third party I will switch my support to Gary. My only major disagreement with him is that he isn't pro-life.

 

[aksmith]

I'm not sold on Johnson at all, there is no way he's the next Ron Paul. His foreign policy is especially troubling:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/09/thedcs-jamie-weinstein-gary-johnsons-strange-foreign-policy/

That article sounds to me like a guy who isn't really sure of his foreign policy. Sounds like his lack of experience in that area is a problem. But his instinct to cut back to 2003 levels is a good one. And will mitigate that he wants to "do good" with the military. He simply wouldn't have the resources.

But mostly, he needs to study up on the subject and develop a more coherent philosophy.

 

[Shotdown1027]

Then Vote Vermin Supreme. He has no chance of winning either.

Protest Vote=Protest Vote

Voting for more of the same is an endorsement of more of the same.

This is not so. See, some protests votes allow parties to keep ballot access. The LP needs a certain number of votes in various contests in various states in order to keep their hard-earned ballot access. "So what?" some people will say.

Well, the LP very rarely wins important elections, it's true. However, they operate as a pressure group, an incubator for ideas and activists, and a "stick" with which to punish the GOP when they don't nominate liberty candidates.

They also fight bad ballot access laws more than any other institution out there. And they're more successful than any group too. I can cite a source for that if needed. The point is--who else are you going to vote for? Johnson and the LP at least marginally represent our views, closer than any other option, certainly closer than Romney. So why not vote Johnson?

 

[Shotdown1027]

I am no longer willing to vote for a "lesser evil" candidate. I joined the No One But Paul movement early on -- and I meant every word!

(And that was for Paul at the top of the ticket, not the #2 spot on some idiot's ticket...I still don't believe RP would accept that, nor do I believe it would be offered).

I don't know if write-in votes are allowed in my state, but I will find out. If they are, I will write-in Ron Paul. If they don't count it, that's on them...but I'm not willing to vote for someone I don't really want just to play their game. And if write-ins are not possible, I will stay home on election day.

THAT'S what No One But Paul means.

I can save you some time. Louisiana doesn't allow write-ins. You ought to vote for Johnson or Goode or whomever fits your views best, though. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

 

[Shotdown1027]

I'm more than willing to bet that write-ins don't get counted in PA (considering how establishment my states politics are. PA politics are pretty much the definition of establishment. Hence was I was amazed when I saw Marc Scaringi ran. I was like, "A LIBERTY CANDIDATE! IN PA!? THIS DOESN'T EVER HAPPEN. GO SCARINGI!".)

If Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination I will vote for Johnson. I will say I get slightly annoyed at the comments that are like, "It's too early or we need to work on our current campaign". We know that (no one here is throwing in the towel), but we can't have a discussion about plan B or plan C?

PA keeps, but does not record, the write-ins. Each county collects them, but they very rarely record or publish these votes.

 

[Shotdown1027]

Gary Johnson isn't going to win. I don't think there's any question here.

HOWEVER, in my mind, voting Gary Johnson would be to make a statement, one that the Libertarian Party is gaining support.

I believe that writing-in Ron Paul if he doesn't get the nomination will have no impact at all in the long term future.

However, if we were to all gather around and vote Gary Johnson, and allow the Libertarians to break 1,000,000 votes for the first time, or break 1% for the second time, then I believe that this would make a statement, that there IS a third option outside the 2-party system we've grown up in.

I cannot vote, however. I can do nothing more that watch and cheer from the sidelines. I'll be watching, and rooting for Ron Paul if he gets the GOP nomination, or Gary Johnson otherwise, and maybe that makes me a bad person for not being a "NOBP" person, I don't know.

I guess writing Paul in is fine, but if Gary Johnson is actually running, why would people not coalesce support behind a guy who actually could make a dent in the vote total. Gary Johnson is about as close to Ron Paul as you have seen in your lifetime. Any other belief is just drinking Koolaid. Ron Paul is not Charles Manson. It's okay to support other people. Hell, if you actually want to go on track of accomplishment, Gary Johnson is probably better. "No one but Paul." Is this some sort of lunatic cult?

That's what I heard/read in '08, so I voted Baldwin. Next morning the local paper ran an article about how many write-in votes Paul got

Though it may be true thate the state doesn't "oficially" count write-ins.

Each county decides this rule on their own. Some will release that info to newspapers and such if asked, some will even record it in their vote-ledgers. None send that information to the state.

 

[Christopholes11]

I'm still behind Paul 100%. I still believe we have a chance in Tampa. That being said I am weighing my options on what I will do if he does not get the nomination. I found that the only instance where my choice is tough is if Ron Paul is selected to be VP for Romney. Otherwise I will not vote for Romney or Obama, period.

This leaves me one choice, to vote third party. My state does not even allow write in votes for president, at all. I could sit at home, but that accomplishes nothing. My best choice is to vote for Gary Johnson in this instance. Overall I like Paul better, he is my first choice. However, Johnson is a solid second choice. On some issues I like Paul better, on others I like Johnson better. In the end if Paul is not the Republican nominee I will enthusiastically vote for Gary Johnson.

I would discourage voting for Obama/Romney and encourage voting third party, whoever you like best. In my case that is Johnson, by far. It would be awesome if he could get a significant number of votes come November. Again, assuming Paul doesn't get the nomination. In any case remember this, it was never about Ron Paul alone. It's about expanding our liberty and continuing the Revolution. Ron Paul is still my best option to accomplish this, but if he doesn't get the Republican Nomination, Gary Johnson takes his place.

 

[Morerockin]

Johnson will get creamed as all 3rd party candidates do, even if he had Paul on the ticket. I say he gets <=1%.

Perhaps, but he's polling 6-9% nationally right now, and if we can elevate those numbers betweennow and September (like we did with the RP2012 campaign) we can get him into the national debate against Obamney!!!! If we do that, IT'S ON LIKE KONG! I don't give an eff if GJ gets 1% or 20% in the general election. As long as Romney loses, I'm happy.

 

[Morerockin]

Until and unless someone other than Ron Paul becomes the GOP nominee, it's too early for this thread. Wait for the general election season.

Not true. The goal of the GJ campaign right now is to elevate his poll numbers so he can reach 15% in 5 national polls so he can meet the establishment criteria to KICK OBAMNEYS ASS IN THE DEBATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Morerockin]

I am no longer willing to vote for a "lesser evil" candidate. I joined the No One But Paul movement early on -- and I meant every word!

(And that was for Paul at the top of the ticket, not the #2 spot on some idiot's ticket...I still don't believe RP would accept that, nor do I believe it would be offered).

I don't know if write-in votes are allowed in my state, but I will find out. If they are, I will write-in Ron Paul. If they don't count it, that's on them...but I'm not willing to vote for someone I don't really want just to play their game. And if write-ins are not possible, I will stay home on election day.

THAT'S what No One But Paul means.

The no one but paul thing is a waste of time and no one will give a shit when you write him in. Mke your vote count for liberty's sake.

 

[thoughtomator]

Not true. The goal of the GJ campaign right now is to elevate his poll numbers so he can reach 15% in 5 national polls so he can meet the establishment criteria to KICK OBAMNEYS ASS IN THE DEBATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They will manufacture whatever numbers they want to make sure that does not happen. You can bank on it, under no circumstances will a third voice get to dispute the common political platform of the two Goldman Sachs candidates.

 

[cheapseats]

They will manufacture whatever numbers they want to make sure that does not happen. You can bank on it, under no circumstances will a third voice get to dispute the common political platform of the two Goldman Sachs candidates.

That is PRECISELY what the Great & Powerful They WANT plebeians to believe.

You seriously think they would stick to their guns if tens of thousands of pissed off people would converge on Mainstream Media headquarters, DEMANDING that the Libertarian Party be "allowed" in the debates? Screw up traffic and commerce, lots of arrests, lots of overtime, lots of bad press? Dilettante Anchors and Executives with heebie-jeebies? I think NOT.

You seriously think they would stick to their guns if NAUSEATED American Voters commenced meaningful ECONOMIC SANCTIONS of their own? Refusing to relax them until Mainstream Media AND PARTY BOSSES agree to "allow" a third voice onto the stage and into the "dialogue"? We're talkin' BOTTOM LINES here. I think NOT.

At THIS point, I think MEDIA is even more frightened than Rank & File Scaredy Cats are. They are beginning to criticize MEDIA BIAS, lol. They know damn well that, if push comes to shove, THEY will be with the PUSHERS against whom the people finally SHOVE BACK.

 

[Respect38]

The 2* that this thread has gotten makes me worried that we'll go out with a wimper if Paul doesn't get the nomination.

I don't go out with a wimper. I would rather go out and try to make a statement, and voting write-in Paul wouldn't make a statement whatsoever.

I guess I'll just have to cross my fingers for Paul getting the nomination.

 

[Nathan Hale]

Johnson can beat the system and get in the debates...but he needs our support. Let them manufacture fake polls, so long as Johnson is there with the resources to counter their assertions.

 

[Respect38]

The other large Johnson thread just got removed... strange.

I don't think the mods here are understanding our message--we are not--well, I am not pro-Johnson. I am pro-liberty, and it is my belief that if Ron Paul does not get the nomination, then voting Libertarian with Gary Johnson is the best plan B.

Because I would bet that the amount of states that Ron Paul would have write-in votes counted for him (not just states that count write-in votes, but states that count write-in votes that Ron Paul would meet requirements for) would not even reach the full 270 electors needed to win the nomination, even if he could possibly win the nomination.

 

[Nirvikalpa]

You know how the last time you were in chat you told me to "f--- off?" Right back at you.