John Wieder TX-22, TX-14 Ron Paul

[katjust]

First: Dr. Paul is correct. "Life begins at conception" is a scientific statement. What people need to argue about is what sort of life has moral status. A plant is alive, but that doesn't mean it has moral status.

Second: I've changed my mind on abortion within about the last year. I used to be fiercely pro-choice. Now, I have altered my position. For the most part I think that abortion is unethical. That doesn't mean I think that it should be banned. Just that it is unethical and no one should choose to do it. So, I think that rationally debating the issue of abortion is important. What annoys me are those who simply yell at each other. It's a heated issue, but rational people can disagree. Trying to persuade through argumentation is the key to changing minds. It worked with me. (If you want me to explain how I'll let you know)

Third: I disagree with parental consent laws. Some children who become pregnant live in very dysfunctional families. I know that the motivation of these laws is to reduce abortion, but the laws would likely provide more harm than good. Children who live in a supportive family (meaning they won't beat their child for getting pregnant) are already likely to tell their parents (Some won't, but most will). The children who are really afraid of telling their parents may have such a great and reasonable fear of their parent that they never will, even with such a law. They will either have an illegal abortion, run away from home, carry the baby to term (trying their best to hide it) and then do something worse than abortion, or commit suicide. As a parent myself, I urge us all to remember that we don't own our children. We don't own any other person. This is a reason against abortion, but is also a reason against parental consent laws. We should be pushing for a greater understanding of why teenagers are getting pregnant (moral decay, indoctrinated tolerance young sexual encounters) and promote healthy relationships between parent and child.

My .02

 

[ErikBlack]

People are so uninformed on this issue. The idea that teenagers are out there getting pregnant in droves and then aborting their children and that if they were forced to bring the children to term it would dissuade sexual promiscuity and girls getting pregnant in the first place is completely false.

The teenage birthrate in the United States has been dropping steadily in the last 15 years to all time low. This means that fewer teenagers per capita are getting pregnant now than before. Now think back to the supposed "glory days" of the 1950s, family values, abortion illegal, etc. Many pro-lifer's I'm sure would love to return to those days. But they are romanticizing the past.

Back in the 50s teenage girls were getting knocked up left and right. What do you think caused the "baby boomer" generation which is now posed to collapse our social security system? These days fewer girls are getting pregnant. They are still having sex, but they are using contraception more frequently than back in those days and if an accident does happen they can have an abortion.

But one thing that history has shown is that teenage girls will get pregnant. That will not change. When you are a teenager and your hormones are raging and you are being attacked by horny teenage boys from every angle, sex is going to happen! No amount of social engineering will change that, especially in a sex-worshipping society such as ours. Just turn on the tv. Sex everywhere. So teenagers are not going to stop having sex. Not a change. The only question is what options they have.

There was a time when contraception was seen as "evil" by the same exactly group of people who are currently against abortion. Now its abortion, but I have no doubt that if they won the abortion front of the battle they would move onto the next front, trying to get rid of contraception or trying to prevent pre-marital sex. For some unknown reason these people, mostly religious, are obsessed with the idea that sex is for procreation and that we should be either abstaining from sex or plopping out babies as fast as we can produce them. I would like to think that there is a better reason for this than a few stupid lines from a holy book like "Be fruitful and multiply". If that is the only justification that's pretty sad.

Putting aside all religious arguments what practical benefit can be had from encouraging childbirth among teenagers? All that will happen is there will be more poor working families and single mothers. More "peasants" if you will. Less people going to college, less people going through a series of relationships and figuring out what they really want in a partner and growing as human beings and more people jumping into unhappy relationships with the first person they had sex with just because they happened to get knocked up. I just don't see the benefits.

 

[StopTheNWO]

People are so uninformed on this issue. The idea that teenagers are out there getting pregnant in droves and then aborting their children and that if they were forced to bring the children to term it would dissuade sexual promiscuity and girls getting pregnant in the first place is completely false.

The teenage birthrate in the United States has been dropping steadily in the last 15 years to all time low. This means that fewer teenagers per capita are getting pregnant now than before. Now think back to the supposed "glory days" of the 1950s, family values, abortion illegal, etc. Many pro-lifer's I'm sure would love to return to those days. But they are romanticizing the past.

Back in the 50s teenage girls were getting knocked up left and right. What do you think caused the "baby boomer" generation which is now posed to collapse our social security system? These days fewer girls are getting pregnant. They are still having sex, but they are using contraception more frequently than back in those days and if an accident does happen they can have an abortion.

But one thing that history has shown is that teenage girls will get pregnant. That will not change. When you are a teenager and your hormones are raging and you are being attacked by horny teenage boys from every angle, sex is going to happen! No amount of social engineering will change that, especially in a sex-worshipping society such as ours. Just turn on the tv. Sex everywhere. So teenagers are not going to stop having sex. Not a change. The only question is what options they have.

There was a time when contraception was seen as "evil" by the same exactly group of people who are currently against abortion. Now its abortion, but I have no doubt that if they won the abortion front of the battle they would move onto the next front, trying to get rid of contraception or trying to prevent pre-marital sex. For some unknown reason these people, mostly religious, are obsessed with the idea that sex is for procreation and that we should be either abstaining from sex or plopping out babies as fast as we can produce them. I would like to think that there is a better reason for this than a few stupid lines from a holy book like "Be fruitful and multiply". If that is the only justification that's pretty sad.

Putting aside all religious arguments what practical benefit can be had from encouraging childbirth among teenagers? All that will happen is there will be more poor working families and single mothers. More "peasants" if you will. Less people going to college, less people going through a series of relationships and figuring out what they really want in a partner and growing as human beings and more people jumping into unhappy relationships with the first person they had sex with just because they happened to get knocked up. I just don't see the benefits.

QFT
+1000
/applause
/salute

I would vote ErikBlack for president; calm, explanatory matter examining both sides and delivering a well thought point.

 

[johnwieder]

Hello, I have checked the poll and see that the majority believe that Life begins
@ Conception and I am sure (correct me if I am wrong) that U S Representative
Dr Ron Paul share the same view point as to the moment life begins. Our Soldiers
are giving their life for us and our freedom and are very valueable to me too.
The big difference is that our Soldiers have a choice to serve our country or not.
When I was military age, if you were not in college, you were going to get drafted.
I chose to fight for my country by becoming an electronics technition in the Air Force.
I did not carry my Government issue m16 during either one of my tours in Vietnam.
Sure, I did not want to be killed, but I did not want to kill anyone myself. American's
that are not born yet, do not have any choice in the matter whatsoever.

I guess my biggest surprise so far is that our good people that are against Life
begins @ CONCEPTION, ARE MORE, more vocal about it. I was in a place one day
where a public type Convention was taking place and I was there as a volunteer
with Woodmen of the World, when lampson stops at the booth I was working @
helping parents get dna, finger prints and photos for their children for the purpose
of Identification if they became missing or some other senario. One of the workers
in my booth did not want to shake his hand. He kept badgering the person and
asking him why? He said because you are pro choice and I will not shake your hand.
lampson went off, yelling and screaming "your a sick sick man" pointing his finger
at him. I went and got security and they did not want to believe me but when we
returned he was still there and security took him back to his booth.

Three days later he lost the election to Ted Poe. Now he has invaded my territory
somewhat like the illegals have done also. If we had all of our Americans that
were savagely destroyed before they were born, we would not be faced with
many of the problems we have today, like immigration. The polititians that do
not do anything about immigration, use the argument that we need them for
our economy.

So we love you all too. So may GOD bless all of us. US too.

i remain, john wieder