John Stossel - Pipe down, NSA is stopping terrorists from hurting us.

jllundqu said:
The next time Stossel carries on about some libertarian bruhaha... someone please repost this thread. He's another Beck ferchrissake
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Come on....Stossel is much better than Beck.

He's human and entitled to one libertarian mistake.
 
Root said:
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Just briefly looking at this, doesn't he just contradict his own argument by then saying he is against teaching the public dependency... doesn't the government do just that with the NSA? Give up a little liberty, don't worry, we will keep you safe. Second contradiction I see, spying on James Rosen and his parents... HELLO JOHN, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE NSA IS DOING TO ALL OF US?
 
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Rothbardian Girl said:
This really comes as no surprise to me, as I have always thought Stossel is somewhat milquetoast. He does a terrible job of defending the libertarian foreign policy position in his interviews with O'Reilly, as someone else in this topic has mentioned, and even his own show doesn't really offer any compelling arguments in support of libertarian positions. His presentations usually just come off as wishy-washy to me. I suppose that may be part of the reason why Stossel gets to keep his show on FOX, while the judge is now relegated to supporting appearances. I don't know Stossel's exact viewership stats, but I really can't imagine many people watch his show. I don't even know if it's still on the air, to be honest. Maybe on FBN?
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Exactly. As you describe his presentations are wishy-washy. I could not put a finger on it but that was the perfect description I was looking for.

I suppose if you are controlled opposition it would make allot of sense to present Libertarianism in this manner.
 
qh4dotcom said:
Come on....Stossel is much better than Beck.

He's human and entitled to one libertarian mistake.
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Beck calls Snowden a hero and is in all out assault against the NSA policies. Stossel came out in favor of the NSA. This is not just a simple mistake for Stossel to make. This is huge.
 
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Rothbardian Girl said:
This really comes as no surprise to me, as I have always thought Stossel is somewhat milquetoast. He does a terrible job of defending the libertarian foreign policy position in his interviews with O'Reilly, as someone else in this topic has mentioned, and even his own show doesn't really offer any compelling arguments in support of libertarian positions. His presentations usually just come off as wishy-washy to me.
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I think it was really evident when him and his "liberty audience" had that debate with Ann Coulter.
 
kahless said:
Beck calls Snowden a hero and is in all out assault against the NSA policies. Stossel came out in favor of the NSA. This is not just a simple mistake for Stossel to make. This is huge.
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Exactly.

This is a deal breaker:


"Efficiency Libertarian" sez:

1. Terrorists do want to murder us. If the NSA is halfway competent, Big Data should help detect plots.
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...

Hero sez:

"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it."
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Black and white.
Wheat from chaff.
Men from boys.
 
jllundqu said:
The next time Stossel carries on about some libertarian bruhaha... someone please repost this thread. He's another Beck ferchrissake
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Just because he says he isn't excited about this issue??? John Stossel is more of a pure libertarian than Ron or Rand Paul.
 
Rothbardian Girl said:
This really comes as no surprise to me, as I have always thought Stossel is somewhat milquetoast. He does a terrible job of defending the libertarian foreign policy position in his interviews with O'Reilly, as someone else in this topic has mentioned, and even his own show doesn't really offer any compelling arguments in support of libertarian positions. His presentations usually just come off as wishy-washy to me. I suppose that may be part of the reason why Stossel gets to keep his show on FOX, while the judge is now relegated to supporting appearances. I don't know Stossel's exact viewership stats, but I really can't imagine many people watch his show. I don't even know if it's still on the air, to be honest. Maybe on FBN?
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He hosted the highest rated news show on TV when he was ABC. His specials that he does for FOX get solid ratings now.

As far as people able to articulate libertarian ideals to wide audiences only Rand Paul is better than Stossel. I think Tom Woods , Schiff, and the Judge are also good but they are ways behind Stossel and miles behind Rand.
 
EBounding said:
My respect for Stossel has vanished.
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Catherine Austin Fitts specifically pointed out Stossel as controlled opposition in an interview. She gives a very good example of this at 38:30 in the following video. I suggest watching at least 37:20 to 39:16 for context, although this entire video is one of my all time favorites. She mentions Stossel again between 41:10 - 41:33 in conjunction with the disinfo strategy "modified hang out."

 
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anaconda said:
Catherine Austin Fitts specifically pointed out Stossel as controlled opposition in an interview. She gives a very good example of this at 38:30 in the following video. I suggest watching at least 37:20 to 39:16 for context, although this entire video is one of my all time favorites. She mentions Stossel again between 41:10 - 41:33 in conjunction with the disinfo strategy "modified hang out."

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Ahh yes. This is just like in London with the corruption scandals with the BBC going in and offering money to get the MP's to raise an issue on the floor of the commons, which was like $15,000, when these guys are taking in millions, if not billions in bribes and campaign funds.
 
I honestly skipped this thread because I thought the title was Stossel just being sarcastic. I'm shocked to see that he was actually serious. I can't believe he's defending the NSA and the CIA.
 
Root said:
Sure, we all make mistakes. The key is to learn from your mistakes and not double down on them.
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Yes, he has doubled down. I will now admit I was wrong.

helmuth_hubener said:
The worst thing was definitely the point about Big Data maybe could stop a terrorist. Lame. But I'll bet he'd backtrack on that if someone called him on it. I don't think he really believes that, with all its implications.
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He did not backtrack. He doubled down. Stossel: seriously? Are you that gullible, naive, and idiotic? Are you really that wrapped up in the Religious Worship of the State (minarchist sect)? National defense is an illusion. You are a rube if you believe that baloney. Sorry, but you are. I've loved many of your specials, going back to the 1990s (Greed is Good, Is America #1?, etc.). But get a clue. The government is not here to help you. There are not two sides to this issue. There is only one side. The surveillance State is evil. That's it. That's the side.

You have lost a lot of respect from me because of this.
 
Bump for being outraged at "censoring" video games but "meh" if those games monitor your entire home and send it straight to government.
 
So by Stossels logic: If you have nothing to hide, then you need no rights at all! (paraphrasing Ben Swann on that)

Someone PLEASE tear that statement apart!

(Hint: Right and Wrong are SUBJECTIVE TERMS)
 
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