John Stossel - Pipe down, NSA is stopping terrorists from hurting us.

[kcchiefs6465]

Yep.And these battles must be fought,relentlessly,on all fronts,and won by all who love Liberty.

I'm sure everyone here knows this but I'll say it anyways... The Supreme Court doesn't love liberty.

What's the recourse?

And for people who are saying well I don't mind if it is a private company doing it that is a defeatist attitude. They will set up a private company just for you. And the Supreme Court will mutter something about public safety. Then, it 20 something years it will be normalized and people will become complacent. How it was would be considered 'outdated' in the new age of threats or 'radical.' Think of the musket argument with regards to the Second Amendment.

More and more Liberty erodes daily. The republican mindset is that it is fine if a corporation does it. Fuck that. I have a privacy right simply by being. No corporations or government ought be able to encroach on that.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Wow, even I didn't think the list was that long...and that is just one of the spook agencies that is public.

For years the very existence of NSA was denied.

No Such Agency it was called.

Trust and believe it is a lot longer than that.

LLCs set up for specific missions then closed down. Proxies around the world.

It's incredible how much money they can waste to rape third world nations and overthrow governments.

 

[anaconda]

Boy it really is on issues like this where the wheat is separated from the chaff.

Catherine Austin Fitts specifically pointed out Stossel as controlled opposition in an interview a couple of years ago. She gives a very good example of this at 38:30 in the following video. I suggest watching at least 37:20 to 39:16 for context, although this entire video is one of my all time favorites. She mentions Stossel again between 41:10 - 41:33 in conjunction with the disinfo strategy "modified hang out."

 

[Anti Federalist]

More and more Liberty erodes daily. The republican mindset is that it is fine if a corporation does it. Fuck that. I have a privacy right simply by being. No corporations or government ought be able to encroach on that.

Huzzah!

Have some more rep.

 

[Anti Federalist]

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[cajuncocoa]

I'd much rather be watched by a private business than the government.

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN 21st CENTURY AMUR'CA?

 

[green73]

Maybe next he can groupie for Bruce Springsteen.

What was that story Green posted about normalization? Perhaps people ought to take heed to the liberties already lost, the power from the people already usurped, instead of blindly saying, "Meh, I post shit I shouldn't to fedbook so what's the difference?" The American spirit is gone, too gone. As a man half of most your ages what the fuck happened?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...orbett-nails-it-The-Transformation-of-Society

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Stossel, Stossel, Stossel. What are you doing? I thought you were a good guy.

 

[VoluntaryAmerican]

If I read his article correctly Stossel never said the NSA is 'our friend' or for other libertarians to 'pipe down', he is just saying that the NSA issue did not upset him as much as it did other libertarians.

 

[Occam's Banana]

At least Google can't wiretap your phone. They are subject to the same laws as the rest of us.

Bullshit. Tell it to AT&T and Verizon, who were granted retroactive immunity for violating the law when they illegally "assisted" the NSA with electronic surveillance. "Subject to the same laws as the rest of us" my ass ...

 

[donnay]

Stossel, Stossel, Stossel. What are you doing? I thought you were a good guy.

[video=vimeo;67889828]http://vimeo.com/67889828[/video]

John Stossel didn't really do much investigative reporting--he was a REAL disappointment to me as well with regards to exposing GMO's.

Monsanto Whistleblower Says Genetically Engineered Crops May Cause Disease
http://www.responsibletechnology.or...ngineered-Crops-May-Cause-Disease-August-2006

Anniversary of a Whistleblowing Hero
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/anniversary-of-a-whistleb_b_675817.html

Registered Dietitian Dismissed from Panel Researching GMO Nutrition for Pointing out Other Members Ties to Monsanto
http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/re...-pointing-out-other-members-ties-to-monsanto/

BioTech Lies Exposed: Genetically Modified Corn is Loaded with Chemical Poisons
http://www.globalresearch.ca/biotec...ills-its-loaded-with-chemical-poisons/5330747

BioTech Lies Exposed: GMO Corn Contains Practically No Nutrients, Loaded with Chemical Poisons
https://leaksource.wordpress.com/20...ly-no-nutrients-loaded-with-chemical-poisons/

 

[Madison320]

If I read his article correctly Stossel never said the NSA is 'our friend' or for other libertarians to 'pipe down', he is just saying that the NSA issue did not upset him as much as it did other libertarians.

I agree. He's wrong to compare Google to the NSA but my guess is if you confronted him he would agree he was wrong.

My feeling is while this NSA stuff is totally wrong, it's way down on the list of likely ways the government is really going to screw you. As Stossel said by far the number one is the debt. My wealth is being confiscated RIGHT NOW and it's going to get much, much worse. I'd say next on the list would be victimless crime laws against drugs, prostitution and gambling. There's a very real danger of having your life torn apart by these laws. Compare that to the chances of the NSA messing with you because of your phone records. Again I'm not saying it's ok, just that we're already being screwed much worse.

 

[moostraks]

I agree. He's wrong to compare Google to the NSA but my guess is if you confronted him he would agree he was wrong.

My feeling is while this NSA stuff is totally wrong, it's way down on the list of likely ways the government is really going to screw you. As Stossel said by far the number one is the debt. My wealth is being confiscated RIGHT NOW and it's going to get much, much worse. I'd say next on the list would be victimless crime laws against drugs, prostitution and gambling. There's a very real danger of having your life torn apart by these laws. Compare that to the chances of the NSA messing with you because of your phone records. Again I'm not saying it's ok, just that we're already being screwed much worse.

In light of the fact that you see the debt as being the biggest issue. Do you think there is any possibility there will be an economic collapse? In the event of an economic collapse how beneficial would it be to have a list of political dissidents formulated through this spying upon which one could create a target list to silence opposition of any new policies esp. if one could use said list to find the bright dissidents who could prevent them from ushering in even worse economic policies then we have now. This is a problem NOW not after it has been used to silence opposition and proven itself to be as dangerous as it proposes to be.

 

[Anti Federalist]

If I read his article correctly Stossel never said the NSA is 'our friend' or for other libertarians to 'pipe down', he is just saying that the NSA issue did not upset him as much as it did other libertarians.

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1. Terrorists do want to murder us. If the NSA is halfway competent, Big Data should help detect plots.

He ceded the main point: that government can spy on, well, everything, as long as it is to keep you safe.

In Stossel's case, he argues for cost effective, budget conscious, lean spending tyranny.

Which, to my way of thinking, is even worse than the slothful, wasteful and inefficient tyranny we have now.

Regardless, it is a major failure on Stossel's part.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'd say next on the list would be victimless crime laws against drugs, prostitution and gambling. There's a very real danger of having your life torn apart by these laws. Compare that to the chances of the NSA messing with you because of your phone records. Again I'm not saying it's ok, just that we're already being screwed much worse.

Sweet weeping Jesus on The Cross...what do you think they are building this Matrix grid FOR????!!!

You don't honestly think it is for capturing ululating Jihadists do you?

This. System. Is. For. Us.

This system will be used to punish, harshly, incidents of non-compliance with the laws you just mentioned, and millions more that no normal person can comprehend, let alone comply with.

Millions of lives, (millions more than have already been ruined by the prison/industrial complex) will be torn apart.

Everybody else will live in constant fear of the hammer falling at any moment, and tip toeing, shut mouth, compliance.

You. Have. Something. To. Hide.

Trust me...we all do, myself included.

When the velvet glove comes off this iron fist, God help us all.

 

[Madison320]

In light of the fact that you see the debt as being the biggest issue. Do you think there is any possibility there will be an economic collapse? In the event of an economic collapse how beneficial would it be to have a list of political dissidents formulated through this spying upon which one could create a target list to silence opposition of any new policies esp. if one could use said list to find the bright dissidents who could prevent them from ushering in even worse economic policies then we have now. This is a problem NOW not after it has been used to silence opposition and proven itself to be as dangerous as it proposes to be.

I agree with everything you say, and I think there's going to be an economic collapse, but it's all relative. I'm not ready to throw Stossel under the bus for it. I still think he's an ally when it comes to freedom. If you get too nit picky you'll end up hating everybody.

Here's a question for you. Suppose you could choose between only one of two options. Either that the federal government would never spend more than it takes in and limit taxes to a flat tax of 1% or that the federal government would never keep track of phone conversations. Which would you choose?

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I'm late to the party, but that was one ugly stossel fail.

 

[juleswin]

Oh yea, this is the same Stossel that said it was just find and dandy to drop 2 Atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The man is completely totalitarian on some key issues.

 

[jclay2]

Uneffing believable. I thought he was on our side. Looks like his liberal totalitarian tendencies never truly left him.

 

[moostraks]

I agree with everything you say, and I think there's going to be an economic collapse, but it's all relative. I'm not ready to throw Stossel under the bus for it. I still think he's an ally when it comes to freedom. If you get too nit picky you'll end up hating everybody.

Here's a question for you. Suppose you could choose between only one of two options. Either that the federal government would never spend more than it takes in and limit taxes to a flat tax of 1% or that the federal government would never keep track of phone conversations. Which would you choose?

It is not just tracking phone numbers. It is a complete surveillance grid. I want my privacy because with the grid they can track your every move and it will be used to demand compliance to all the asinine laws we are drowning under. Come in the crosshairs with the surveillance grid and you will be punished. No one is able to be completely within the law on all grounds nowadays. You will lose your family and everything you own. My family is worth more than the tax burden and to a certain extent without the constant surveillance one has some ability to thwart them.