John Kasich picks up a Rand Paul adviser

[presence]

From "Good to Great" -Jim Collins

"Practicing 'first who' means selecting people

more on their fit with core values and purpose

than on their skills and knowledge."


He should have never been a part Rand 2016.



He's a political hack, not one of us.

Chapter 6 – Cult-like Cultures

Porras and Collins discuss visionary companies as not a great place to work for everyone. All employees within a visionary company must adapt and embrace the core values assigned to them in order for the organization to make strides. According to the authors, visionary companies are demanding of its employees to seek accomplishment and to follow the core ideology. The authors outline four common characteristics of cults that apply to the visionary organizational philosophy – fervently held ideology, indoctrination, tightness of fit, and elitism.


Fervently held ideology – All employees believe strongly in the company ideology.
Indoctrination – Management is responsible for introducing and encouraging the proper work culture to employees.
Tightness of fit – Employees who do not believe in the same ideology should switch positions or be fired altogether.
Elitism – Recognizing the sense of responsibility that comes from being a member of a visionary company.
The beginning of Chapter 6 uses Nordstrom as an example of a visionary company where an interviewer tells an interviewee what is expected of him, in accordance with the company philosophy of excellent customer service and starting from the bottom to work your way to the top.


Chapter 8 – Home Grown Management
Porras and Collins describe a characteristic of visionary companies as likely to hire inside employees to high positions as opposed to other organizations that “hire from the outside.” This allowed for consistent excellence in leadership from within the ranks, from employees who have adhered to the company’s core ideology. In the overall picture, this is a way for companies to preserve the core while stimulating progress – a mantra discussed in Chapter 4.

To support their claims, both authors cite comparison companies are six times more likely than visionary companies to hire their CEO from a pool of outside applications. At visionary companies, only 4% of CEOs came from the outside.

http://www.wikisummaries.org/Good_to_great
http://www.wikisummaries.org/Built_to_Last

I withheld from talking shit while he was running for potus because I do "stand with rand" in my heart, but now that its over I feel with certainty that

RandPaul2016 alienated the 2008 R3volution sheepdogs

Net result, it appeared to the general public that even his own supporters didn't really back him. Rand has always had 10:1 the criticism from his base that Ron gets.

 

[69360]

That doesn't seem like a job with much of a future.

 

[presence]

So what? Rand is no longer running.

So what?

It shows us that he is a man unloyal to the greater movement. He didn't go back to being an eye surgeon, or a carpenter, or a whatever with a well worn RON2008 and a fresh RAND2016 bumper sticker. He didn't go on to support the campaign of another liberty candidate. He went back to being a hack for the opposition. He was no more loyal to the liberty caucus than he was to Santorum's fundamentalist banter on gay marriage.

Who's to say he wasn't a double agent the damn whole time? This is presidential politics.

 

[LibertyEagle]

So what?

It shows us that he is a man unloyal to the greater movement. He didn't go back to being an eye surgeon, or a carpenter, or a whatever with a well worn RON2008 and a fresh RAND2016 bumper sticker. He didn't go on the support the campaign of another liberty candidate. He went back to being a hack for the opposition. He was no more loyal to the liberty caucus than he was to Santorum's fundamentalist banter on gay marriage.

Who's to say he wasn't a double agent the damn whole time? This is presidential politics.

Could have been. But, fact is that you need both truth believers AND people who know how to work the system and win elections. Although the latter should be contained and assigned to specific functions, in my opinion.

Ron's Campaign for Liberty has been trying to get true believers trained around the country on election mechanics for years on end, so that we could be more effective and less of the other would be needed. On this forum anyway, I've seen a lot of blustering about how that isn't needed. I mean wees knows how to throw a snowball, right? Isn't that all it takes?

 

[TheNewYorker]

Heads gotta head.

 

[LibertyEagle]

RandPaul2016 alienated the 2008 R3volution sheepdogs

Net result, it appeared to the general public that even his own supporters didn't really back him. Rand has always had 10:1 the criticism from his base that Ron gets.

That is complete bullshit. Some people got their panties in a twist when after Ron send out an email saying his campaign was toast, Rand endorsed Romney, who clearly won.

They never got over it. And dug at Rand and dug at Rand every day thereafter.

Screw you guys. Really!

 

[Matt Collins]

The point is that this is indicative of a very systemic underlying problem.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The point is that this is indicative of a very systemic underlying problem.

What problem is that, Matt?

 

[Matt Collins]

So it was okay that Jesse Benton joined with McConnell's team after leaving Ron Paul's running, but...?

That was a very strategic move to position Rand to be in a much better place come election time. It worked.... Rand got a lot of benefit out of that which unfortunately didn't see fruition due other factors. I couldn't stomach it, but Jesse was obviously making a huge ideological sacrifice in order to advance the cause of liberty by attempting to co-opt the establishment.

 

[Matt Collins]

Wow, all I did was write one level-headed rational post-mortem after Greg Brannon's campaign and I became satan himself, but here you are blowing up all over the forums in multiple threads whining like a baby and this is supposed to be okay? You freaking hypocrite.

No, unlike what you did I am not calling out specific people or blaming certain people for a loss or just running my mouth (and not knowing what you were talking about in the process).

 

[Erazer]

What problem is that, Matt?

The problem of Matt not being promoted.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

No, unlike what you did I am not calling out specific people or blaming certain people for a loss or just running my mouth (and not knowing what you were talking about in the process).

So you think "Head of Rand Paul's NH Campaign" is less specific than naming the person who screwed up then? The reason you think I am an evil idiot and you are a heroic god, is because you used a title where I dared to speak a name. The horror. Lol

 

[69360]

The point is that this is indicative of a very systemic underlying problem.

No it isn't. We all knew Paul inc had nepotism, was sort of inept and self serving. This was no huge secret problem. We went along with it because the policy was good. Voters don't like the ideas put forth and we lost 3 times. The voters sent us a message and it's over. You can throw all the money and time in the world at this and still wouldn't win.

 

[LibertyEagle]

No it isn't. We all knew Paul inc had nepotism, was sort of inept and self serving. This was no huge secret problem. We went along with it because the policy was good. Voters don't like the ideas put forth and we lost 3 times. The voters sent us a message and it's over. You can throw all the money and time in the world at this and still wouldn't win.

Oh bull. You can't expect to overturn something that took over 100 years to screw up, in just a few years, or national elections. For the first time in a long time, things like the proper role of government, are being discussed; a lot of people have now heard of the Federal Reserve Bank; people have heard that our government is arming ISIS, and on and on. Fact is, winning the presidency was a pipe dream. That is so very controlled that the only way we might have done it is to have overwhelmed them with sheer numbers of supporters. Given that the chosen ones within the movement are feckle as all hell and will stab anyone they don't deem as pure enough, it probably isn't going to happen for the presidency. Not now, anyway.

But, we have been successful electing Senators and Congressmen and truth be told, our attention would probably better be placed getting local and state reps elected.

 

[Matt Collins]

So you think "Head of Rand Paul's NH Campaign" is less specific than naming the person who screwed up then?

This particular topic isn't really about the guy who moved over to Kasich, as mentioned, it is about being indicative of a systemic problem.

The reason you think I am an evil idiot and you are a heroic god, is because you used a title where I dared to speak a name. The horror. Lol

I don't think you're evil.

 

[Crashland]

The systemic/underlying problem being what?

 

[Robrank]

The movement would exist today if it weren't for people like Matt Collins. The disrespect towards him is sickening.

As for this story. It's politics. The problem with a lot of us is that we expect a pure movement. Whether you like it or not, you need people entrenched in politics. Even the anti-establishment Trump and Sanders have had people who have been embedded in traditional politics their whole lives. When a campaign ends, you can't expect those individuals working on a campaign to drop dead or go nowhere else. There are more campaigns, there are more jobs. They are out of a job, they don't have a senate job to return to, they do what campaigners do, campaign elsewhere. Somewhere close enough to their beliefs that they are not sacrificing everything, but giving a service for a return of $$. While I think Kasich is a shill, I don't fault people getting a job.

 

[Matt Collins]

The systemic/underlying problem being what?

As for this story. It's politics. The problem with a lot of us is that we expect a pure movement. Whether you like it or not, you need people entrenched in politics. Even the anti-establishment Trump and Sanders have had people who have been embedded in traditional politics their whole lives. When a campaign ends, you can't expect those individuals working on a campaign to drop dead or go nowhere else. There are more campaigns, there are more jobs. They are out of a job, they don't have a senate job to return to, they do what campaigners do, campaign elsewhere. Somewhere close enough to their beliefs that they are not sacrificing everything, but giving a service for a return of $$. While I think Kasich is a shill, I don't fault people getting a job.

The point being is that if a staffer went to work for Cruz or even Trump that would make some sort of sense and be somewhat justified. Although I wouldn't particularly care for it I could at least understand that.


But for someone to support Rand and then turn around and support Kasich (who loves Obamacare and hates guns) just goes to show the underlying problem that there was no passion for the effort. One who is principled cannot do that.

 

[Crashland]

The point being is that if a staffer went to work for Cruz or even Trump that would make some sort of sense and be somewhat justified. Although I wouldn't particularly care for it I could at least understand that.


But for someone to support Rand and then turn around and support Kasich (who loves Obamacare and hates guns) just goes to show the underlying problem that there was no passion for the effort. One who is principled cannot do that.

So you are saying that the lack of passion was an internal problem and not an external one?

 

[PaleoPaul]

Maybe he's joining Team Kasich as a strategic plan to take down Rubio? I mean, as long as there are a bunch of Establishment candidates in the race, the more that dilutes the vote for Rubio, especially in an Establishment state like New Hampshire.