John Adams HBO TV Show

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I just caught the first 2 episodes of this tv show the other day, and man was it ever good.

Being a Canadian, i don't really know the story of the formation of America all that well, and having watched the beginning of this 7 part series i already feel way more informed, and entertained :cool:

It reminds me of "the Patriot" but much stricter on historical accuracy of course.

Here is the 20 minute "The Making Of" to give you an idea. I've been trying to find somewhere to watch this show online, but i can't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRX7o0DZc34

Anyone watched this series yet?
 
it sounds good but some RPers say it's just showing him as a celeb...

John Adams may have done some good things, but he also did some bad things... but I guess that doesn't really compare to the politicians these days
 
it sounds good but some RPers say it's just showing him as a celeb...

John Adams may have done some good things, but he also did some bad things... but I guess that doesn't really compare to the politicians these days

Yea, I would guess that some aspects of the story are exaggerated but it does show John Adams as a very flawed character, and from what i can tell from previews i've seen, he makes some serious mistakes in later episodes.

All of the Founders seem to have their own personal convictions and flaws, and i think the series is doing a good job of showing that so far.

I'll be watching the other 5 episodes as soon as i can get my hands on 'em :cool:
 
The John Adams miniseries is out on DVD as well (at least here in the states).

Overall, I would grade this series as a solid "A" for accuracy. It's certainly a feast for the eyes -- and I especially like the "gritty" look of things (for example, the UGLY teeth, and the bad shave jobs, etc).

There are a few (trivial) inaccuracies in sets and costumes (which I assume were consciously made in order to not "confuse" the audience); and the script combines, and rearranges various events (such as Adam's trip to Europe -- the film shows it as one trip, when in fact he made several quick back & forth crossings of the Atlantic, took more than one son, etc. -- but again this was probably done consciously in order to not "waste" too much screen time on travel, partially to "compress" events so they didn't confuse people with different sets of actors for the kids at multiple ages, etc.)

But all of those gripes are minor.

Because overall, I think it does an excellent job of showing us the world of that time from John Adam's perspective. And sometimes looking at things from different perspectives is a good and necessary thing. (Best example in the movie are the scenes around the "Alien & Sedition Acts" -- with John Adams being shown as NOT the originator of the acts, but as merely agreeing with and signing something that *did* in fact originate in Congress; and at the same time showing his independence of mind and willingness to sacrifice his political career in order to avoid a war that EITHER Jefferson or Hamilton would have willingly entered {albeit on different sides, the former allying with France, and the latter with England} -- Adams was perhaps the ONLY man who would have been able to steer the "middle course"; and in doing so unwittingly set the groundwork for Jefferson's later triumphs {including, ironically enough, establishing the diplomatic relationship with Napoleon that enabled the Louisiana Purchase}.)



SIDE NOTE: Among other things, the series has made me do some digging on his son, John Quincy Adams -- a man who I had foolishly dismissed as a mere cipher (GWB-like) riding into office on his father's coattails and name.

And I was delighted after substantial reading to find that the entirely OPPOSITE was true: Quincy was indeed his own man. (His switch to the Jefferson party helped END the Hamiltonian "Federalists" once and for all.) I had to entirely re-evaluate my concept of him and found that his career as a diplomat was absolutely astounding in its ramifications and unparalleled in its success! (So strangely enough, the act of Abigail Adams pushing her husband John into taking his son {actually sons} to Europe, was very astute, perhaps one of those serendipitous choices that has later profoundly positive, but entirely unforseeable, consequences. That young "boy" became fluent in multiple languages, learned about several European cultures, and made what we would call "major networking contacts" that he would then later leverage to the immense benefit to his country.)

Among other achievements, it turns out that the majority of the "Monroe doctrine" was actually conceived and written almost entirely NOT by James Monroe, but rather by John Quincy Adams, the career diplomat par excellence. And the man himself yet remained rather humble for all that, AFTER his single term Presidency was ended, he returned as a mere Congressman (in the house, like Ron Paul, for another 17 years). And while his actual administration is often overlooked, it seems to be an unwarranted dismissal, a couple of sentences (written by others) seem to sum it up rather well:
During his term as president, however, [John Quincy] Adams achieved little of consequence in foreign affairs. [...] However, thanks to the successes of Adams' diplomacy during his previous eight years as Secretary of State, most of the foreign policy issues he would have faced had been resolved [by his own previous efforts] by the time he became President.
 
make an andrew jackson movie, without the liberal bias. Id watch that.

Sadly if anything ever came out of hollywood about jackson, it would completely focus on the trail of tears.
 
It's a very good series, and from what I remember, it doesn't make him out to be the greatest patriot who ever lived. It does show that he was well-intentioned in his beliefs and actions, which I believe. But it uses him more as a tool to show the times and events of the Revolutionary period, rather than casting him as a hero.
 
Both of my DVD Players are broken, i don't subscirbe to HBO and i can't find a a working torrent anywhere :(

I guess i better invest in another DVD player and buy the box set. I 'm dying to watch the other 5 episodes!
 
As much as people on this forum call Adams and Hamilton big government statists and federalists, I would much rather have them over 99% of the jerks we have in office now. Compared to the the government today, Adams and Hamilton were practically Jeffersonian. They would be appalled.
 
make an andrew jackson movie, without the liberal bias. Id watch that.

Sadly if anything ever came out of hollywood about jackson, it would completely focus on the trail of tears.

I'm a "Trail of Tears" revisionist.

I don't deny that we committed mass genocide against the Native Americans, but I find it oddly coincidental that the only American leader who ran on the platform of removing the central bank and did so successfully was the mastermind behind the incident.

Why is that the only thing we learn about him in school? He is hated and revered for it.


I got this John Adams series on DVD for my dad's birthday a few weeks ago. I haven't seen it, but heard it was really good. I've been meaning to watch it for some time.
 
I just bought a new dvd player, simply so i could finish watching this series since it got me hooked :cool:
 
John Adams, my personal political opinion aside, is an extremely well made film. It creates the aroma of the U.S. revolutionary era. Loved his speech he makes about Liberty and the need to fight.
 
I just bought a new dvd player, simply so i could finish watching this series since it got me hooked :cool:

You won't regret it even if you don't initially like the rest of them as much as the first few you've already seen.

I've watched the whole thing 3 times through now (spaced apart a few weeks, and then watching 1 or 2 episodes a night) -- and each time I watch I see different aspects or questions or viewpoints. Again, while this DID take some liberties and make some changes, they also put a LOT of depth in and doubtless did a lot of research far beyond what David McCullough put in his book (which I have only scanned mixed parts of -- figure I'll read it in depth cover-to-cover after the holidays) -- but I can say that the book has a bit more more of an "optimistic" feel too it -- and in what I've read so far Adams is far "happier" -- whereas in the movie he's portrayed as almost always grumpy/angry/disappointed. The man had a LOT of success in his life, a solid family, growing private wealth, etc -- in short he had a VERY good life and he darn well knew it. (Whereas watching the series you could be forgiven for expecting him to hang himself on any given day.)



Also as a side note: Do yourself a favor and buy the Sci-Fi series "Firefly" on DVD for Christmas -- well worth the expense (around $40) as you will get multiple viewings and significant enjoyment out of it (much more than you would get from any 4 "popular" or "blockbuster" movies).
Firefly you can watch over and over again.
 
The series is based upon the McCullough biography of Adams, which is a stupendously good book. One of my favorite things in that book is a reprint of Adam's original "To Do" list, that he prepared before departing for Philadelphia and one of those early meetings of the Continental Congress. There's an actual photocopy of the list, written in Adams' own hand.

Item #1 on the list:

"Encourage the production of hemp in the colonies."

;)
 
The series is based upon the McCullough biography of Adams, which is a stupendously good book. One of my favorite things in that book is a reprint of Adam's original "To Do" list, that he prepared before departing for Philadelphia and one of those early meetings of the Continental Congress. There's an actual photocopy of the list, written in Adams' own hand.

Item #1 on the list:

"Encourage the production of hemp in the colonies."

;)


So THAT'S what was in that little pipe he kind of sneakily had in a few scenes -- he tended to be a bit more mellow after smoking it a bit... that would explain a lot (plus being the root cause of munchies ...leading eventually to "His Rotundity").

Also, obviously shows the link with those "libertarian" style ideas... I mean can't you just see that dandified Rutledge dude from South Carolina saying (with the accent):
" 'Independence' why seriously Mr Adams, what HAVE you been smoking?"

:D
 
Later in the book is a section describing Adams' participating in several meetings with Turkish diplomats while he was in Europe. Frequent excessive hookah smoking, with much attendant hacking, was described as being central to those diplomatic meetings.
 
I enjoyed the first half of the series. Unfortunately, i did not get to see the rest. I wish i could see the ending somewhere :cool:

But The best parts for me was how Adams felt like he was being forced to take the part he did and once he accepted it he put his heart into it. I also liked watching his interactions with George Washington.

the opening theme music was good too.
 
Good Points:
1.) May turn mainstream American onto American history...and maybe a few will discover liberty in the process

2.) It's really entertaining and well-done

3.) It portrays Alexander Hamilton as a complete snake - 100% on that count. I was really worried that they would paint him as some hero who was ahead of his time. Nope, they showed him to be the power-hungry douchebag that he was

4.) Accurately portrayed Adams as a negative nancy

Bad Points:

1.) Little too critical of the Sons of Liberty

2.) In the Jefferson-Adams feud, they acted like it was Jefferson who betrayed Adams. In actuality, it went both ways. Adams' supporters said that incest, sodomy, and debauchery would be nation-wide if Jefferson was in the white house. They also suggested that Jefferson's election would force the U.S. to get involved in the French revolution
 
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