Jimmy Kimmel show suspended after Charlie Kirk comments

[jmdrake]

OK, everybody can pipe down now, he got his job back.

The free market hath spoken it.

Disney faces $3.8 billion loss as boycott grows over Jimmy Kimmel suspension | The Express Tribune

Disney suffers billions in losses after suspending Jimmy Kimmel, sparking widespread boycotts

tribune.com.pk

 

[nobody's_hero]

Let's try to square the circle here. Here's the problem:

1) The left has signaled repeatedly that they do not believe in free speech, and will do everything they can to destroy it.

2) The right shouldn't abandon free speech just because the left has.

3) If the right remains principled on free speech while the left does not, they're cooperating with defectors. Playing by rules your opponent won't play by is a losing strategy.

Quite a conundrum, isn't it?

It often feels like you kind of have to treat the left like you treat a toddler.

I mean, how do you approach it? They lack the maturity to reason. You don't want to pop them on the hand for reaching towards a hot stove.
Like, I don't want to take away your freedom, but for some reason I haven't been able to get through to you using reason and logic. It's like that doesn't work on a 3-year old, or something.

Then again, in the back of your mind, you're thinking: "Go ahead . . . I bet you wouldn't do it again."

And then Children and Family Services sends a representative to your house.
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Even if we did what is suggested, 'lock in free speech', if the left hasn't learned anything, they're just gonna take it away again.

Bad thing is, we'd all pay the price, while waiting for the left to learn the hard way.

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There's also a part of me that doesn't believe the left is nearly as outraged about the loss of their freedom as they make it seem.

 

[nikcers]

https://x.com/SethDillon/status/1969531112528486776
to: https://x.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1969604990248632613

https://x.com/jeremykauffman/status/1969825363334201521

Let's try to square the circle here. Here's the problem:

1) The left has signaled repeatedly that they do not believe in free speech, and will do everything they can to destroy it.

2) The right shouldn't abandon free speech just because the left has.

3) If the right remains principled on free speech while the left does not, they're cooperating with defectors. Playing by rules your opponent won't play by is a losing strategy.

The way of squaring this is for the right to use its power to lock in free speech, or to pass laws that destroy the ability for the government to act against it.

For example, Republicans could have the FCC put station licenses up for regular re-auction and eliminate the "public interest" clause entirely. Similarly, Republicans could also pass laws that criminalize federal interference with social media.

Auron and Tim are correct that simply counter-signalling the Trump administration when they go 5% as far as the left did is helping the left. But Seth is correct that the right should try to not abandon their principles.

Right-wingers who are frustrated by what they see as unprincipled behavior by the Trump administration should push for policy changes that would fix the problem, rather than just complaining.

That's the win/win here.

Oh you people..

Why hasn't anyone ever thought of the idea of passing a law that will protect free speech if thats all it takes?

Just call the police on the people censoring you that will fix it.

This is what they want.

Just roll over after the killing of Charlie Kirk and let America die.

Charlie Kirk was your last stand and we killed him so you just have to give up now.

The canary in the coalmine has been killed.

Without solving the root cause of the problem the rest of us will be next.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

 

[Anti Federalist]

The free market hath spoken it.

Disney faces $3.8 billion loss as boycott grows over Jimmy Kimmel suspension | The Express Tribune

Disney suffers billions in losses after suspending Jimmy Kimmel, sparking widespread boycotts

tribune.com.pk

Love that free market.

"Put my show back on, and do not air that other show, or I'll fucking kill you!"

 

[ClaytonB]

 

[Voluntarist]

Love that free market.
"Put my show back on, and do not air that other show, or I'll fucking kill you!"

Well, except that Sinclair still won't be airing Kimmel:

Sinclair Won’t Air Jimmy Kimmel’s Return on Its 38 ABC Stations

Jimmy Kimmel may be returning to ABC Tuesday night, but his show will remain dark in a large swath of the U.S., with Sinclair Broadcast Group saying that it will preempt the show.

“Beginning Tuesday night, Sinclair will be preempting Jimmy Kimmel Live! across our ABC affiliate stations and replacing it with news programming,” the company said in a statement Monday. “Discussions with ABC are ongoing as we evaluate the show’s potential return.”

 

[Anti Federalist]

Well, except that Sinclair still won't be airing Kimmel:

Sinclair Won’t Air Jimmy Kimmel’s Return on Its 38 ABC Stations

Yeah, I had read that as well.

 

[Anti Globalist]

What a shame. I thought it was going to be a while before Kimmel was let back on air.

 

[jmdrake]

Love that free market.

"Put my show back on, and do not air that other show, or I'll fucking kill you!

Most actual political violence comes from the right. Of course that's another statistic you don't pay attention to while pretending to care about "muh ratios." How many people did Tim McVeigh kill at one time? But I'm not sure why I'm even wasting time trying to debate someone who can't bring himself to admit that government confiscation of private business is communism when Donald Trump does it.

 

[TheTexan]

How many people did Tim McVeigh kill at one time?

Depends. Are tax ticks considered people?

I know he killed a bunch of kids in that attack which is uncalled for.

 

[acptulsa]

 

[Anti Federalist]

Wait, now we're believing the government's story that Tim McVeigh acted alone in OKC?

 

[Madison320]

Most actual political violence comes from the right. Of course that's another statistic you don't pay attention to while pretending to care about "muh ratios." How many people did Tim McVeigh kill at one time? But I'm not sure why I'm even wasting time trying to debate someone who can't bring himself to admit that government confiscation of private business is communism when Donald Trump does it.

I would think if you include violent street protests that the left kills way more people.

 

[acptulsa]

I would think if you include violent street protests that the left kills way more people.

I know if you include Josef Stalin the left kills way more people.

 

[jmdrake]

I would think if you include violent street protests that the left kills way more people.

I would think not. But if you want to go with that number you would have to take out anyone killed by the right or by the police.

I know if you include Josef Stalin the left kills way more people.

Not if you include the Middle Passage, the Holocaust, the Trail of Tears, the Belgian Congo mass murders etc.

 

[acptulsa]

Not if you include the Middle Passage, the Holocaust, the Trail of Tears, the Belgian Congo mass murders etc.

Oh, I think so. One because then you also have to include Che, Pol Pot and Mao. And two, because Stalin and Mao in particular had power over a lot more potential victims.

But it's not a hill I'm dying to die on. I'd rather argue that people like King Leopold II wasn't right wing. I'd rather argue that Hitler wasn't either. Dude admitted being socialist.

I'd like to but I can't. The right wing isn't what self-identified right wingers say it is. Both wings make big government fly. That's why Swordsmyth treated me like an alien life form. I'm not a feather on either wing. So I don't have a dog in this fight. But I'll give both devils their due. The left and the right are the two deadliest threats on earth.

 

[jmdrake]

Oh, I think so. One because then you also have to include Che, Pol Pot and Mao. And two, because Stalin and Mao in particular had power over a lot more potential victims.

But it's not a hill I'm dying to die on. I'd rather argue that people like King Leopold II wasn't right wing. I'd rather argue that Hitler wasn't either. Dude admitted being socialist.

I'd like to but I can't. The right wing isn't what self-identified right wingers say it is. Both wings make big government fly. That's why Swordsmyth treated me like an alien life form. I'm not a feather on either wing. So I don't have a dog in this fight. But I'll give both devils their due. The left and the right are the two deadliest threats on earth.

In what universe is KING Leopold not right wing? Imperialism now is "leftist?" Come on dude. And nobody had more control over more potential victims than those running the transatlantic slave trade. Also Hitler's mass murders were rooted in his right wing ethno nationalism as opposed to his (arguably) left wing socialism. Stalin didn't put people onto collective farms out of racism. He did it to redistribute wealth. Hitler didn't put people into concentration camps for the sake of wealth redistribution. He did it to create an Aryan race.

 

[acptulsa]

Imperialism now is "leftist?"

When has it never not been?

What I said was, the right wing claims not to favor big government, but big government rises on both wings.

In other words, your definition of "right wing" is more accurate than what actual self-identified "right wingers" claim. They say this and they say that, but they love them some big gubbermint.

Hitler didn't put people into concentration camps for the sake of wealth redistribution.

Ha! A lot of valuable stuff once owned by Jews sure wound up redistributed to his field marshals. Why not both?

 

[jmdrake]

When has it never not been?

Leftist, by definition, is ANTI imperialist. By your definition the manifest destiny was "leftist."

mWhat I said was, the right wing claims not to favor big government, but big government rises on both wings.

In other words, your definition of "right wing" is more accurate than what actual self-identified "right wingers" claim. They say this and they say that, but they love them some big gubbermint.

Okay. Let's use an actual functional definition that makes sense in this contest. In this context "leftist" = those who want to spread everybody's wealth to poor people and right wing = those who want to hoard wealth to themselves. King Leopold was NOT trying to spread wealth to anybody except MAYBE his children.

Ha! A lot of valuable stuff once owned by Jews sure wound up redistributed to his field marshals. Why not both?

Nice try, no cigar. That was a byproduct of the genocide, not the aim of the genocide and the wealth wasn't being redistributed to poor Germans.