Jihad and Islamic Law

[american empire]

sally did you read the book I asked you to...tch tch just like Rudy....

I know the literal meaning of the word jihad, thank you. The literal meaning of Mein Kampf is my struggle. Its the application of those words that count.

I got to admit you are good at spin...please tell me who financed "the struggle"?....oh come on now you would know....its like the wolves saying I dont know what a "pack" is....or a buffallo saying what a herd is.....lets make it simple for the readers...who financed Hitler?....

That is one application of the word jihad, yes. It is not the only one, and depending on which scholars you listen to, it is not necessarily the most important either.

whoever is reading this...please go ask any Muslim you know what this word means for them in Islam ....and please post what their reply is?....struggle against their will to do wrong.....
shunning evil vices....."not necessarily important"....yes not necessarily important for you ....you just cant spin that....

I have never watched any of those television stations in my life, so I couldn't care less what their soundbites are. What do you think gets said about jihad on al-Jazeera?

you mean to tell me that you havent watched FOX/CNN/NBC ever...but watch Aljazeera .....if I were to believe you then you have done yourself a lot of good....but such false claims can only be confirmed by RuyDiaz....come on Ruy, sally needs some help here....

had enough of you two....

 

[truelies]

You would have a valid point, if the US were the only oil consumer/weapons maker on the planet.

And I'm not quite sure what you mean by "weapons" considering a $75 IED can destroy a $4MM IED. War is a luxury only the poorest nations can afford.

We need to work smarter not harder

What the French & Chinese do to their own hurt is not my concerm........but in truth WE are the biggest arms merchants on the planet. BTW that $75 IED built in Bagdad is useless to harm Americans in LA.

 

[santopia]

Let's say the entire Muslim world refuses to acknowledge peace treaties....

All the more reason not to be over there engaging in war.

No war = No need for a peace treaty.

As for the Muslim hope of taking over the entire world....I'll take my chances here at home on that. There is NO CHANCE that the US will ever be a Muslim theocracy.

 

[hcbrand]

Crusading is like, so, 1000 years ago.

 

[Carl Corey]

I'm curious to know what his supporters know about the teachings of Islamic Law on holy war, Peace (particularly peace treaties), equality under the law, how Islam sees the world, etc.

The Downfall of the Netherlands - Land of the Naive Fools

Essential reading when it comes to understanding Islam and why immigration needs to be restricted.

 

[richyrichard]

People with grey hair like Ron Paul and myself can remember what the US has done to the Arab states over the last 60 years. Young people can only wonder unless they do a history research.

The fact is, in a nutshell, we've being screwing the Arab states for years, always taking up for that little strip of land called "Israel" in all their wars of aggression against the Palestinians and the Arab states.

The U.S. Government has waged war against every Arab country in the mid-east at one time or another, slaughtering their people. The 9-11 attack was only a small retaliation, if it was even that. More likely, the buildings were imploded by the CIA and then used as an excuse to invade and conquer the mideast. Even so, the so-called "war on terrorism" is entirely provoked by foreign policy against the Arab states. Until and unless the American people acknowledge their wrongness, there will be no peace for us in this increasingly hostile world.

But again, one must have knowledge of the history of the last 60 years of U.S. entanglement in the mideast to be able to see the correctness of Ron Paul's arguements.

 

[truelies]

............................ There is NO CHANCE that the US will ever be a Muslim theocracy.

Deerborn, Michigan and ALL of Canada are heading down that road. A problem that seems tiny and far off today may well be infinitely worse in 50 years.

 

[WilliamC]

Deerborn, Michigan and ALL of Canada are heading down that road. A problem that seems tiny and far off today may well be infinitely worse in 50 years.

And with an all powerful Federal government over riding local and State laws for non-Constitutional reasons (yes there are times when Federal law trumps State law) it will be much easier if somehow a muslim president gets elected for him to impose his will on everyone wouldn't it? But there's no chance for Amercia to ever elect a muslim president now is there? eh...

A libertarian society that is based on the principles of the US Declaration of Independence and which governs it's citizens in accordance with the principles of the US Constitution could conceivably include aspects of Muslim law. But if one's definition of Muslim law includes agressive war to impose a religious belief on others, then not. Sadly though, today the USA's definition of Constitutional law seems to include agressive war to impose our cultural beliefs on others.

I find it interesting that individuals like Sally and RuyDiaz seem to want to ascribe to all Muslims the belief in violent war to promote the Muslim religion. It may be true that many, perhaps most Muslims believe this, but I know for a fact that not all do. So if the violent jihadist want to make war on the US there are Constitutional ways to accommodate them that do not simultaneously condemn all Muslims. Using our spy agencies to manipulate and agitate the internal affairs of, or our military to invade and occupy, Muslim countries in order to impose our system of government and our values upon them is not this way. Indeed, as decades of American foreign policy has shown is, it is counterproductive.

 

[MysteryGuest]

I've been to both Dearborn, MI and many parts of Canada and I hadn't heard anything about a Muslim theocracy...

Do you have any proof that there is a move on to create a Muslim theocracy in these places? Are there Muslims talking about this in these places? Do they have any literature? Websites? Organizations? What are you basing this on?

 

[Liberty Star]

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[Liberty Star]

Let's say the entire Muslim world refuses to acknowledge peace treaties....

All the more reason not to be over there engaging in war.

No war = No need for a peace treaty.

As for the Muslim hope of taking over the entire world....I'll take my chances here at home on that. There is NO CHANCE that the US will ever be a Muslim theocracy.

There is much greater chance of US becoming a Christian theocracy than Islamic - and given American cultural makeup, even chances of that happening are almost nill.

Most U.S. citizens adhere to Christianity (78.5%). A 2001 survey[2] found 15% of the population to have no religious affiliation, still significantly less than in other postindustrial countries such as Britain (44%) and Sweden (69%).[3] Judaism is the second most prominent religion, with estimates ranging from 2.8 million (or 1.4% of the population)[2] to 4.3 million (or 2.5% of the population).[4] Other minority religions include Islam (about 2.4 million, or 0.6%[2] to 0.7%[5][6]), Buddhism (0.5%[2]), Hinduism (0.4% [2]), and Neopaganism (200,000 to 1 million[7][8]).

Ironically, we are often funding and supporting globalist Islamists from Afghanistan to Iraq and often oppose regional nationalists.

 

[MysteryGuest]

Ironically, we are often funding and supporting globalist Islamists from Afghanistan to Iraq and often oppose regional nationalists.

True that.

I think this may be the greatest reason to follow a non-interventionalist policy, even for someone who didn't support Ron Paul or a strict-constitutional philosophy. It's a fricken gumbo over there. The Middle East is so much more complex and subtle than we usually make it out to be. It's not just about A v.s. B, it's A v B v C v Z but sometimes with A against B sometimes with C against X. A lot of politics in the Middle East is ethnic, tribal, heck familial sometimes. But our presence is naturally so massive and single-minded (oil) that we just don't have the faculties to absorb it all let alone work to control it. Even the concept of Islamic law is different from region to region, place to place, faith to faith. Usually, you end up dealing with one group one way, you end up with trouble in a place you never expected it. But then again, I think anyone trying something like that here would have similar problems. Can you imagine the factions that would come out of an America in chaos?