Jesus would have hated Christianity as organized religion

Because they were deemed by the Church to be either of dubious origin, lacked catholic (that is, universal) consensus or apostolic authority, or were considered harmful to the faithful.

Harmful to the faithful? Like the gospel of Magdalene? Since when is truth harmful?

Funny because Magdalene was Jesus` favorite apostle and she didn`t make it into the final cut.

They`ve painted her as some cheap whore and totally hijacked Jesus` message and the big role she played.
 
Last edited:
By the time St. Constantine was alive, there was only One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church which had spread throughout all of the known world, and it was the bishops of that Church which came together and under the power of the Holy Spirit formulated the Symbol of Faith which we call today the Nicene Creed.

The bishops ONLY came together under the authority and DIME of Constantine. Why do you freely admit the taint of humanity on Christianity for the last 1500 years, yet deny that man tainted Christianity during it's formative years?
 
Harmful to the faithful? Like the gospel of Magdalene? Since when is truth harmful?

Funny because Magdalene was Jesus` favorite apostle and she didn`t make it into the final cut.

They`ve painted her as some cheap whore and totally hijacked Jesus` message and the big role she played.

Actually, she is regarded as one of the greatest saints in the Church and as the First Apostle. The painting of her as some cheap whore is a western medievel innovation.

As for the Gospel with her name attached to it, it is a gnostic text and is not considered authoratative and certainly not canoncial.
 
Last edited:
The bishops ONLY came together under the authority and DIME of Constantine. Why do you freely admit the taint of humanity on Christianity for the last 1500 years, yet deny that man tainted Christianity during it's formative years?

Man has tainted the Church since the beginning. That has nothing to do with the fact that Christ established His Church as His Body in the world.
 
Wrong. The entire old testament establishes religion as it has distinct laws passed down by God. 10 commandments are laws, but humans could not achieve perfection therefore a savior had to be sent down to bridge the gap between imperfection and perfection. Laws were not done away with by Jesus they were fulfilled. I disagree completely with the video.
 
Last edited:
I always thought the Church was supposed to be the bride of Christ.

In the New Testament and writings of the Church Fathers, the Church is described as both the Bride and the Body of Christ.
 


Oh boy...

Where do you start with the list of errors?


1. Jesus is the same God in the Old Testament. What He said about homosexuality in the Old is the same as in the New.




2. Jesus came to preach that the Pharisees were dead in the inside. Although they were viewed as the "religious people", their righteousness couldn't save them. They were law-breakers condemned to Hell, because they sought to be made right before God by how well they followed the law.

Jesus said that you had to be absolutely perfect to stand in the presence of the Father. You had to follow the law perfectly. He said that if your righteousness didn't surpass the scribes and the Pharisees, you would go to Hell. He said if you were not perfect as the Father in Heaven is perfect, you are going to Hell.

Jesus said you had to be perfect to stand before the Father. But who could ever claim perfection? No one. This is why the only way a man can be saved (made right before God) is to have faith in Christ's perfect law-keeping. Jesus followed the law perfectly. A man is saved by faith alone.

All those who trust in their own law-keeping will never enter the kingdom of God, like the atheist in this video. He probably thinks he is good to his kids, a good taxpayer, and good to his neighbors. Atheists are the perfect Pharisees. They love to tell everyone of their own goodness, while inside they are nothing but dead men's bones. And believe me, I preach this to myself as well as everyone else, believe me...




3. I hate these kind of videos where atheists try to define who Jesus is. To adequately define who Jesus is and what His mission was and where He is now, you have to be born again. You have to have had the Spirit regenerate your heart and bring the Scriptures alive for you.
 
Last edited:
In the New Testament and writings of the Church Fathers, the Church is described as both the Bride and the Body of Christ.

To anyone who is interested, in Eastern Orthodox Christian theology, we ascribe to the belief espoused by St. Paul that in the holy sacrament of marriage, the man and women become one flesh and there is a mystical change in reality between two persons. Mysteriously, beyond time and our perceptions of reality, the man and the wife now become united naturally in flesh, one body of two persons. A metaphysical and cosmic communion of being and that in such love, life is created. Marriage is a joyful and blessed mystery and reveals much about the nature of divine love.

So blessed is holy matrimony that it was the scene of Christ's first public miracle after assembling His Chosen Twelve. In it, He turned the water to wine, and revealed to all of creation the blessedness of this festive union and holy sacrament of communion and love.

And what does God reveal? That when such a blessed union of love is made and shared, it often creates a trinitarian reality, - the creation of life!, - the bringing forth by creative love the generation of a new life. Beyond the obvious manisfestation of children between a man and a women, other mysteries are revealed about the nature of God as described as Love. Our new life in Christ also involves our communion and sharing of love between two persons, namely ourself and Christ. By this, we shed the old man and put on the new and become reborn. Life itself springs from loving communion, and our generation and our regeneration is trinitarian in image and trinitarian in nature, for by this image we naturally acquire a godlike attribute such as creating life.

Similarly, it carries soteriological significance in how Christ saves us, and why the Church is the Bride of Christ and at the same time the Body of Christ in the world. They are indeed the same thing before His presence, for according to Christian theology, the man and the women assume one flesh. How? We don't know. This is what was told by Christ and through the teachings of His Apostles. So as this was the defended orthodox belief from the beginning, then that is what has been defended by countless souls since the beginning, and accepted as the universal and historic belief. And this faith reveals that our very salvation is tied to Christ's economia as Risen Savior, and that we find salvation by having real union with Him, fully and in completeness, specifically as He mentioned, in spirit and truth. For in spirit and truth our entire being is transformed and transfigured, in the fullness of our being: our body, soul, and spirit. We must 'put on Christ' as described by St. Paul and thus gain the Spirit, for by doing that, we gain Christ Himself, and He fills our deficiencies and heals our passions and bring us to righteousness with our Father in Heaven. For it is by His Glorious Resurrection, we who are dying in our sins gain resurrection, for He has made it possible by overcoming sin and forever destroying the power of death. That is why all men kneel before Christ and why in Christ alone do we find salvation.

And these are a few reasons why the Church is called the Bride of Christ and the Body of Christ according to St. Paul and the earliest Christian writers. In a nutshell, by our mystical union with Him, we enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Ive rambled enough and its time to get to bed. Forgive me and pray for me and pray for the future of this nation!
 
Last edited:
Actually, she is regarded as one of the greatest saints in the Church and as the First Apostle. The painting of her as some cheap whore is a western medievel innovation.

As for the Gospel with her name attached to it, it is a gnostic text and is not considered authoratative and certainly not canoncial.

Admitting and including Magdalene`s gospel in the bible, labeling properly as 1st apostle and Jesus` favorite and maybe even his lover, would have shaken the church foundations as we know it. We would have seen women priests and such among many other changes. However, it came in conflict with certain misogynistic views church kept on perpetrating.
 
Last edited:
Admitting and including Magdalene`s gospel in the bible, labeling properly as 1st apostle and Jesus` favorite and maybe even his lover, would have shaken the church foundations as we know it. We would have seen women priests and such among many other changes. However, it came in conflict with certain misogynistic views church kept on perpetrating.

Except she was never a lover in the way you are alluding to and that is just partly the reason why it was universally considered to be of dubious and heretical origin. So to try to attack the Church, you claim it was because of misogynistic views. No, it was because it is untrue. Had it been true, then it would be proclaimed as being true and defended from the get go by the blood of martyrs, and simply accepted as it was. But because it didn't happen that way, and is rather a dubious fabricated writing of a Gnostic cult which was first discovered in the fifth century, the cynics and enemies of the Church scream foul and make false accusations of misogyny and prejudice! lol. The reality is not as conspiratorial as you fantasize it to be. The Gospel of Mary was never considered an authentic writing nor of being authoritative because it was simply was not true and did not conform to the faith handed down by the saints. It was, in a word, a fake.
 
Last edited:
Indeed, the Church is anything but misogynistic. For the greatest saint born of human parents is a women, namely the Blessed Virgin Mother of God.
 
Indeed, the Church is anything but misogynistic. For the greatest saint born of human parents is a women, namely the Blessed Virgin Mother of God.
The blessed virgin Marry was never an actual virgin but this is different topic.

If church is so not misogynistic how come they don`t allow women as priests and high ranking jobs within the church. I`m not talking about nuns. This is different matter.
 
Even if that were true it doesn't mean anything significant since 1st century families were patriarchal and much more ordered with dominant and subordinate members unlike modern families.

Edit: That is to say your placing a false dichotomy between family and government. The governmental aspect of some churches is not a problem in fact it's required. Rather, the problem is many churches are merely governments and as TER said do not have the attributes of the body of Christ.

Going further with the body analogy, Paul identified Christ as the head of the church. (Ephesians 5:23). And in 1 Corinthians 12 he made it clear that the different parts of the body shouldn't act like they are more important than the other. Instead most modern Christian sects are organized with humans at the head. TER brought up the apostles coming together to make decisions about doctrine. That is true. But it's clear from Paul's writings that he didn't feel bound by those decisions. The council in Jerusalem declared that the new believers should abstain from meat offered to idols. Paul declared that "an idol is nothing" but said that he would abstain from meat offered to idols if it would cause his brother to stumble. In other words he was more constrained by not wanting to cause confusion among a new believer than he was by edicts from Jerusalem or any other council.
 
The blessed virgin Marry was never an actual virgin but this is different topic.

If church is so not misogynistic how come they don`t allow women as priests and high ranking jobs within the church. I`m not talking about nuns. This is different matter.

Yet another one of your false revisions of history. The Virgin Mary was a virgin, Jesus Christ was conceived by act of the Holy Spirit.

There are no woman priests because that is not the role God gave women. Jesus did not choose women as his apostles. It is neither sexist nor misogynistic nor discriminatory. God gave us two genders, each with different roles.
 
Back
Top