Jesus would have hated Christianity as organized religion

[specsaregood]

You probably failed to realize that when "pcosmar" called the author of this video a "godless fool" he basically attacked his atheist views aka his faith by calling them foolish.

 

[jmdrake]

The "hierarchy" Jesus created was upside down to the hierarchy that exists today.

Matthew 23:11
But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

Mark 9:35
And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.

Many clergy talk about servant leadership. Few practice it. Fewer still are the Christian sects that are truly organized around a servant leadership principle.

 

[Johnny Appleseed]

I have information and I'm not afraid to use it

 

[pcosmar]

You probably failed to realize that when "pcosmar" called the author of this video a "godless fool" he basically attacked his atheist views aka his faith by calling them foolish.

Admitting that atheism is a religion are you?

And actually,
Atheist+Comedian=Godless Fool

 

[TER]

Christ did not appoint any bishops or had any intention in doing so and using it as power tool to control nations. He despised power and hierarchy and was very libertarian in that respect.
When Constantine saw Christianity was gaining ground in the empire, they`ve adopted it as official religion to be able to control their empire better. After viciously persecuting Christians, they`ve decide "if you can`t beat them, join them".

St. Constantine didn`t give a rat`s ass about Christians or Christianity. For him religion was just a power tool. Christianity became a real threat at the time for several reasons, so he decided it`s best to crown himself high priest and control it rather than to fight a losing battle.

Saying he deserved to be a saint, being son and wife murderer is ...emm hard to put into words. He would have gotten the electric chair had he lived in today`s Texas.

But Christ did appoint twelve, right? And then He appointed Apostles, right? And these Apostles, following His commands, appointed elders (bishops) and presbyters and deacons, right? And they did this by the laying of hands, correct? Why do you ignore these facts?

And when St. Constantine became Emperor, Christianity was AT BEST about ten percent of the population, and a population which was at that time considered hated enemies of the state and persecuted by the vast majority. Seems to me he took a great risk in proclaiming equal rights to Chrisitans and proclaiming himself a believer in Christ, but you wouldn't know that because your blind bias shields you from the truth.

And no, St. Constantine never considered himself as some high priest like you say. In fact, he respected the authority of the bishops as divinely ordained overseers of the Church and at the First Eucemnical Council, which he called in order to stop the great division being caused by the Arain heresy within the Church, he went as an observer and had no vote.

So you see, if you spent a little more time learning history as it is instead of accusing and judging people, especially ones who you in no way have the foggiest understanding of what world they lived in during those times, then maybe you wouldn't make such inaccurate statements.

King David murderd as well, as he is one of the greatest saints of the Old Testament because he repented. Who are you to judge someone like St. Constantine (who it is not even agreed upon by scholars that he was indeed involved in the murders you listed above) and what the condition of his heart and soul was in his waning hours of life. Indeed, the repentant thief on the cross entered the Kingdom and St. Constantine did more to save Christians then the thief ever did.

 

[TER]

The "hierarchy" Jesus created was upside down to the hierarchy that exists today.

Matthew 23:11
But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

Mark 9:35
And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.

Many clergy talk about servant leadership. Few practice it. Fewer still are the Christian sects that are truly organized around a servant leadership principle.

And indeed, the Bishops, even though they are shepards of Christ are above all servants to their flock, at least, that is what they are supposed to be.

 

[JuicyG]

Admitting that atheism is a religion are you?

A faith doesn`t have to be a religion. What about having faith in yourself?

And actually,
Atheist+Comedian=Godless Fool

Right. So I guess you`re a fool if you`re a comedian or you`re a fool only if you`re an atheist comedian? Can you be a fool if you`re a christian comedian?

 

[Johnny Appleseed]

 

[eduardo89]

I don't understand why people bother debating anything with JuicyG, all he spews is idiotic nonsense based on his blind hatred and ignorance.

 

[Johnny Appleseed]

 

[pcosmar]

I don't understand why people bother debating anything with JuicyG, all he spews is idiotic nonsense based on his blind hatred and ignorance.

Not debating.
Not arguing.

I posted information and he went on attack.
his problem,, not mine. And i trust that most here are intelligent enough to see it for what it is.

 

[JuicyG]

I don't understand why people bother debating anything with JuicyG, all he spews is idiotic nonsense based on his blind hatred and ignorance.

I could say same thing about you.

Where`s the fun in debating with people who agree with you or just have slightly different opinion?

I see you`re also part of those attacking the messenger instead of tackling the message? Why bother post here anyways? But I guess it`s what a forum troll does.

 

[Johnny Appleseed]

 

[JuicyG]

I posted information and he went on attack.
his problem,, not mine. And i trust that most here are intelligent enough to see it for what it is.

You`ve probably meant to say: "I`ve posted disinformation and he corrected me".

 

[otherone]

Personal attacks aside, the bible as we know it was a politically motivated anthology collected for the purpose of creating a Roman state religion. The Catholic church was organized along the lines of the Roman Empire, and the religion was spread by the sword. Whether Christianity would have flourished without the enforcement of Rome is debatable. Whether the Holy Spirit orchestrated the "romanizing" of Christianity is a matter of faith...but then Christ did say, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's..."

 

[Muwahid]

It's so annoying when people try to argue thousands of years worth of philosophy and religion by posting a youtube video.

Youtube makin' everyone experts.

 

[TER]

Personal attacks aside, the bible as we know it was a politically motivated anthology collected for the purpose of creating a Roman state religion. The Catholic church was organized along the lines of the Roman Empire, and the religion was spread by the sword. Whether Christianity would have flourished without the enforcement of Rome is debatable. Whether the Holy Spirit orchestrated the "romanizing" of Christianity is a matter of faith...but then Christ did say, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's..."

I would disagree. The Bible as we know it was a theologically motivated anthology collected for the sole purpose a protecting the faithful from the many heresies which were being spread and were threatening the Undivided Church.

The Early Church was not organized along the lines of the Roman Empire, but by the work of the Holy Spirit according to the dictates of Christ working within the members of the Church, first to the Aposltes, and then to those who proceeded them, whose reality was living within the Roman Empire. Did the State try to overrun the Church for political power? Yes, one only needs to see the history of how the Anglican Church came to be to see this. Did members of the Church try to overtake the State for political and material power? Yes, one only need to look at the Holy Roman Empire which started in the West to see this. Was there not impropriety and ecclesiological abuses in the East as well? Of course, the Church after all is a Church full of sinners and as such every institution which contains sinners will be the cause for sin and evil in the world. Nevertheless, it is the promise of Christ that the gates of hell will never prevail over His Church, and even through the centuries the continuity of the faith once for all handed down to the saints has prevailed and the Church has survived even the greatest of persecutions and misdirections by fallible leaders. This alone is a miracle and a testament to the power of God and of His Body in the world, the Church.

 

[JuicyG]

It's so annoying when people try to argue thousands of years worth of philosophy and religion by posting a youtube video.

Youtube makin' everyone experts.

I guess you`re a technophobe that has a problem with modern mediums of information sharing. I know you`ve mentioned dozens of times something about knowledge found on internet and how that is less worth than a hard copy book.

Maybe an old rotten scroll made out of sheep leather should be more suitable medium than a youtube video. Initially churches wordwide were very circumspect of using high tech technology. When I`ve suggested back in the 90s to some christian monk if they`ve considered using the internet, he gave me this look as if I were some retarded person. Now they all use the internet, even have religious websites, online donations, religious internet TV stations, you name it.

On a different note... How many books besides Koran did you read? I`m curious. I haven`t met a muslim yet to have read anything besides Koran. Your avatar logo consists of Ron Paul`s book "End the Fed". Did you read that book btw?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I guess you`re a technophobe that has a problem with modern mediums of information sharing. I know you`ve mentioned dozens of times something about knowledge found on internet and how that is less worth than a hard copy book.

Maybe an old rotten scroll made out of sheep leather should be more suitable medium than a youtube video. Initially churches wordwide were very circumspect of using high tech technology. When I`ve suggest back in the 90s to some christian monk if they`ve considered using the internet, he gave me this look as if I were some retarded person. Now they all use the internet, even have religious websites, online donations, internet TV stations, you name it.

On a different note... How many books besides Koran did you read? I`m curious. I haven`t met a muslim yet to have read anything besides Koran. Your avatar logo displays a copy of Ron Paul`s book "End the Fed". Did you read that book btw?

How many muslims have you met? In my experience with muslims in the West (yes, in real life-not just on the webbernetz), they read a wide variety of things, just as you and I do.

 

[eduardo89]

On a different note... How many books besides Koran did you read? I`m curious. I haven`t met a muslim yet to have read anything besides Koran. Your avatar logo consists of Ron Paul`s book "End the Fed". Did you read that book btw?

More condescending, insulting, hateful bullshit from you.