Jesus vs. the Christians

And especially absolutely NEVER, EVER read the actual words of Jesus or follow his commands. :rolleyes:

Jesus' words are not very popular on this forum.

Quote anything Jesus says and the answer is always: "But....but...but....He didn't mean THAT; he meant....blah, blah, blah."

And Santorum is a douche.
 
Jesus' words are not very popular on this forum.

Quote anything Jesus says and the answer is always: "But....but...but....He didn't mean THAT; he meant....blah, blah, blah."

And Santorum is a douche.

That's just a very small part of the numbers of damning indications that the pagan Roman hijacked Paulinism really has very little to actually do with Jesus. :(

"By their fruits, ye shall know them."


Thanks! :)
 
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That's just a very small part of the numbers of damning indications that the pagan Roman hijacked Paulinism really has very little to actually do with Jesus. :(

"By their fruits, ye shall know them."


Thanks! :)

Yes, "By your fruits, you will know them". We know that by your fruit, you are from the devil, because you deny that Jesus is God.
 
Yes, "By your fruits, you will know them". We know that by your fruit, you are from the devil, because you deny that Jesus is God.


Matthew 7:1-3

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
 
Yes, "By your fruits, you will know them". We know that by your fruit, you are from the devil, because you deny that Jesus is God.

Which of your repeated lame excuses, is your favorite? You'd just much prefer and rather worship Jesus than to obey him?

Silly Sola_Fide post score +1.

Thank you for your very typical totally worthless OFF TOPIC thread bump post. May I please have another?
 
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Matthew 7:1-3

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?



1 John 2:22

Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.

Ronin denies the Father and the Son, so he is an antichrist.
 
The doctrine of the trinity was created as a wordplay in an attempt to get the strict monotheist Arians to accept the same creed as the more pagan Athanasius Christians.

(Sigh)

"Strict monotheist Arian" is an oxymoron. Arians believed that:

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...although God the Son indeed pre-existed as a divine being before the creation of the Universe, he was not "co-eternal" with God the Father. The opposite position, championed by Athanasius, held that the Father and Son existed together with the Holy Spirit from the beginning. Further disagreements involved the question of whether the Son and the Father were of the "same substance" and whether the Son was in any way subservient to the Father."

"One true God… alone unbegotten, without beginning, without end, eternal, exalted, sublime, excellent, most high creator, epitome of all excellence... who, being alone… did create and beget, make and establish, an only-begotten God [Christ]." (Arian bishop of Milan, Auxentius (d. 374)

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Arianism



"As stated above, Arius denied the full deity of the preexistent Son of God, the Logos who became incarnate as our Lord Jesus Christ ("the Word (Jesus Christ) became flesh" John 1:14 - NKJV). He held that the Son, while divine and like unto God, was created by God as the agent through whom He created the universe; thus that there was a time when the Son "was not"."

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Arianism

So, no, Arians were not "strict monotheists". They were, by definition, pagan by preaching that Jesus was a lesser deity, a "an only begotten God" created before time began and through whom God the Father created the universe. Their orthodox opponents, of course, championed the unity of God. In short, the Arians believed that Jesus was divine but not too divine.
 
That makes no sense. God commands His people to worship Him and Him alone. So to worship Him is to obey Him.

You don't worship or obey Jesus.
You wish. What did Jesus say about those followers who do not do what he said?

Or are you YOU just going to continue disobeying Jesus and arguing with the divine HOLY WORD of his Father?


Silly Sola_Fide post score +1.

Thank you for your very typical totally worthless OFF TOPIC thread bump post. May I please have another?
 


(Sigh)

"Strict monotheist Arian" is an oxymoron. Arians believed that:

"
...although God the Son indeed pre-existed as a divine being before the creation of the Universe, he was not "co-eternal" with God the Father. The opposite position, championed by Athanasius, held that the Father and Son existed together with the Holy Spirit from the beginning. Further disagreements involved the question of whether the Son and the Father were of the "same substance" and whether the Son was in any way subservient to the Father."

"One true God… alone unbegotten, without beginning, without end, eternal, exalted, sublime, excellent, most high creator, epitome of all excellence... who, being alone… did create and beget, make and establish, an only-begotten God [Christ]." (Arian bishop of Milan, Auxentius (d. 374)

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Arianism


"As stated above, Arius denied the full deity of the preexistent Son of God, the Logos who became incarnate as our Lord Jesus Christ ("the Word (Jesus Christ) became flesh" John 1:14 - NKJV). He held that the Son, while divine and like unto God, was created by God as the agent through whom He created the universe; thus that there was a time when the Son "was not"."

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Arianism

So, no, Arians were not "strict monotheists". They were, by definition, pagan by preaching that Jesus was a lesser deity, a "an only begotten God" created before time began and through whom God the Father created the universe. Their orthodox opponents, of course, championed the unity of God. In short, the Arians believed that Jesus was divine but not too divine.

Good luck, trying to sell that one. :)
 
Opening paragraph of the thread OP article.

A lot of people have asked me how it is that so many Republicans claim to follow Jesus in spite of apparently not following his actual teachings at all. How is it that they say they are Christians yet seem to believe the exact opposite of what he taught? How can you square the fact that -- while the Jesus of the New Testament preached kindness, generosity, mercy, not judging others, welcoming the stranger and helping the poor -- people who claim they follow him seem to disdain the poor, vigorously judge everyone who doesn't agree with them, show no mercy and seem to have a serious mean streak? Excellent questions, which you have to go back to the very beginnings of the Christian religion to answer.

Does this sound like any of the folks posting on this thread, and in this forum. I do belive it does, IN SPADES.
 
Good luck, trying to sell that one. :)

Our faith from our forefathers, which also we have learned from thee, Blessed Pope, is this:--We ackowledge One God, alone Ingenerate, alone Everlasting, alone Unbegun, alone True, alone having Immortality, alone Wise, alone Good, alone Sovereign; Judge, Governor, and Providence of all, unalterable and unchangeable, just and good, God of Law and Prophets and New Testament; who begat an Only-begotten Son before eternal times, through whom He has made both the ages and the universe; and begat Him, not in semblance, but in truth; and that He made Him subsist at His own will, unalterable and unchangeable; perfect creature of God, but not as one of the creatures; offspring, but not as one of things begotten; nor as Valentinus pronounced that the offspring of the Father was an issue; nor as Manichaeus taught that the offspring was a portion of the Father, one in essence; or as Sabellius, dividing the Monad, speaks of a Son-and-Father; nor as Hieracas, of one torch from another, or as a lamp divided in two; nor that He was was before, was afterwards generated or new-created into a Son, as thou too thyself, Blessed Pope, in the midst of the Church and in session has often condemned; but, as we say, at the will of God, created before times and ages, and gaining life and being from the Father, who gave subsistence to His glories together with Him. For the Father did not, in giving to Him the inheritance of all thigns, deprive Himself of what He has ingenerately in Himself; for He is the Fountain of all things. Thus there are Three Subsistences. And God, being the cause of all things, is Unbegun and altogether Sole, but the Son being begotten apart from time by the Father, and being created and founded before ages, was not before His generation, but being begotten apart from time before all things, alone was made to subsist by the Father. For He is not eternal or co-eternal or co-unoriginate with the Father, nor has He His being together with the Father, as some speak of relations, introducing two ingenerate beginnings, but God is before all things as being Monad and Beginning of all. Wherefore also He is before the Son; as we have learned also from they preaching in the midst of the Church. So far then as from God He has being, and glories, and life, and all things are delivered unto Him, in such sense is God His origin. For He is above Him, as being His God, and before Him. But if the terms 'from Him,' and 'from the womb,' and 'I came forth from the Father, and I am come' (Rom. xi. 36; Ps. cx. 3; John xvi. 28) be understood by some to mean as if a part of Him, one in essence or as an issue, then the Father is according to them compounded and divisible and alterable and material, and, as far as their belief goes, has the circumstances of a body, Who is the incorporeal God.

http://faculty.cua.edu/pennington/churchhistory220/LectureTwo/AriusLetter2.htm

I do not need to sell anything. Arius' letters explains what he believed better than anything.
 
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