Jesus Preached Violence?

[Sola_Fide]

BEST POST in the HISTORY of RON PAUL FORUMS!

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Huh? You think that was clever?

The world is dumber than I thought

 

[amy31416]

That's the NT. The OT was Hebrew and Aramaic.

Hillbilly said in his/her post:

So, if you want to read the original unedited New testament, you need to learn hebrew.

 

[Esoteric]

Huh? You think that was clever?

The world is dumber than I thought

That post was extremely clever, because it points out the irrationality of those who accept blind faith as truth, as is the case in every religion.

For the most extreme examples, see: Joseph Smith and Mormonism, or scientology. For another example, open the draw in your nightstand.

 

[acptulsa]

Absolutely Acptulsa! I have an icy cold nose, a mohair jacket and a balaclava on. Power too expensive/ oh ok then, i am a skinflint when it comes to outrageous power bills. Oklahoma sizzling no doubt! I can't even imagine how good that would feel right now. Even my dog is looking at me accusingly!

So let's see. You're below zero and we hit (106-32) divided by 1.8= 41 C.

We have got to find a way to split the difference! Got a really, really big and powerful fan?

 

[TheViper]

Hillbilly said in his/her post:

Sorry, I read your post as "...the Old Testament was written..." instead of ..."the original New Testament was written..."

 

[acptulsa]

For the most extreme examples, see: Joseph Smith and Mormonism, or scientology. For another example, open the draw in your nightstand.

Who's dumb enough to keep a draw in a nightstand? It'll go all warm and flat there.

Only someone who has eyes but does not see would be dumb enough to do that. AB10 doesn't fit that description.

 

[amy31416]

That post was extremely clever, because it points out the irrationality of those who accept blind faith as truth, as is the case in every religion.

For the most extreme examples, see: Joseph Smith and Mormonism, or scientology. For another example, open the draw in your nightstand.

No need to get all angry, the religious people here are for liberty, just like the atheists and agnostics. And they can help influence the religious masses that religion and liberty can and do go hand in hand, when practiced well.

 

[ifthenwouldi]

LOL.

When my dad was alive he would hear someone say some phrase, using Jesus' name in vain, like "Jesus Christ!"

He'd reply "You called?" or "What can I do for you?"

LOL.

Haha. Mine, too!

As far as your original statement about getting Christians to understand and then to agree with Ron Paul's positions, my advice would be to recommend his books to them. Perhaps you could even buy a book for one or two of them that you know well. Despite what you read about on the Internet, not all Christians are illogical and/or easily-swayed, and Ron can be particularly persuasive for a curious Christian.

As far as the idea that Jesus advocated violence, suffice it to say that there has been nearly 2,000 years of debate over issues like that one. Personally, I think the great bulk of the Biblical evidence is on the side of Jesus as a peacemaker. I would imagine there are a number of other Christians on here feel the same way and, between us all, we could definitely help you "craft an argument" to persuade your Christian acquaintances if you really want.

 

[SpicyTurkey]

Jesus is all about peace, and love. Don't you guys read any books?

 

[acptulsa]

The temple scene is the only exception I know of. And, you know, corporatists like the ones in that temple piss me off, too. I think it's a great precedent, and one hell of a good selling point for our man Ron Paul. He gets a little testy with moneychangers, too. And even testier with counterfeiters like Bernanke...

 

[Southron]

I was trying to convince some Christians about Ron Paul and their main concerns were stances on social issues. One example: I explained to them that Jesus was the prince of peace. While he might not have approved of drug use, he would have never supported the use of violence against peaceful individuals just because he didn't agree with their lifestyle. They told me I was wrong and that Jesus stated numerous times throughout the bible that he supported the use of violence. Ive given up on using logic with these people.

I would have started with a states rights argument personally. When all else fails, find something-anything you can agree on.

 

[redbluepill]

Didn't he use violence to cleanse the Temple of gamblers?

Didn't he say "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword"?

Many scholars interpret that as a warning to his disciples that by spreading his message they can expect conflict. If Jesus did mean to bring war to spread his cause he would have raised an army, not a group of disciples.

 

[acptulsa]

Many scholars interpret that as a warning to his disciples that by spreading his message they can expect conflict.

Not me. I think there's just no question that there's power in parables. His words were mightier than swords. After all, the swords of the day have all rusted away by now.

 

[roho76]

Just write out a note from God that says they should support Ron Paul and tell them you found it buried in your backyard. Shit gets them every time.

Make sure you write it on toast then they'll believe it. They may even offer to buy the toast form you for an inflated price which you can then use to buy silver and then you can take that silver and put it in a sock and beat them over the head with it.

Win/Win

 

[jth_ttu]

I would have started with a states rights argument personally. When all else fails, find something-anything you can agree on.

I would have but they were talking about how they had to support a Christian candidate. They said his beliefs weren't Christian

 

[TheViper]

I would have but they were talking about how they had to support a Christian candidate. They said his beliefs weren't Christian

Tell them that Jesus said to stop lying.

Seriously though, they are all Christian. When was the last time we elected a president that wasn't Christian? That's right, never. Spare me the Obama conspiracy theories for a moment. But saying they have to support a Christian candidate is rather silly...not in that they shouldn't look at all candidates but for the simple fact that all the candidates are Christian.

 

[Lymeade-Lady]

Drugs and Wars are more of a stretch, so just like any person, start with what they can understand. I'd say the biggest issues are his integrity: not taking Congressional pension--I think that's right, voting consistently and only where given authority by Constitution, not changing positions, married to wife for 54 years, doesn't take certain gov't aid--like financial aid for kids college---b/c he doesn't believe in it, not taking Medicare as a doctor BUT treating patients for free. NOONE I've ever heard of matches his integrity. Ron Paul is a Christian who lives what he preaches and votes what he believes.

I'd tell them as far as war to investigate the historic Christian concept of Just War. As far as drugs, you might go toward the side of it's not enforceable and it makes it profitable for the drug lords. Also, separate out the issue of marijuana, specifically for medical use, which will not be proven simply b/c it doesn't make the drug co. rich so tests are funded. So by legalizing it for medical use, Ron Paul is fight the corruption in the drug companies. It's a plant that God made! You can regulate use, but it is dangerous to make the plant illegal b/c a lot of people wouldn't even know if a "weed" popped up in their bushes and could get arrested over it! It's not practical to control it, so it's best to not waste our tax dollars trying to micromanage. Also, remind them that Congress and the states still have the power to make laws. There are still dry counties. But the federal government does a poor job with prohibition or drug control.

2nd big issue is that he is pro-life: never performed an abortion and introduced legislature to return abortion to a state issue WHICH would OVERTURN Roe v. Wade, which made it a federal issue and overturned the STATE laws. So, wouldn't they rather have someone of INTEGRITY who will do what's honest and right and if there are a few minor issues of disagreement, trust your state to make and enforce appropriate laws?

 

[Revolution9]

BEST POST in the HISTORY of RON PAUL FORUMS!

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This is epic facepalm material for the ratio of halfwittedness to drooldonkeyhooded snarkiness implied in the several different belief system focii derived from this posting. One is left to assume his family and acquaintances are of an exceedingly gullible character to be taken aback with belief at the production of a written note, no doubt newly soiled from a garden bed and keel over from the effects of gravity and that he really hasn't read very much of RPF..

Rev9

 

[Lymeade-Lady]

The Bible says you know a person by their fruit. That's why the integrity is the key to convincing a Christian that dr. Paul is the strongest Christian around. He may have a bit of a different political philosophy, but he has the WALK to go with the Christian talk (actually he doesn't talk much Christian b/c his walk speaks for him.) Honesty, consistency--does their "Christian" candidate compare?

 

[raiha]

So let's see. You're below zero and we hit (106-32) divided by 1.8= 41 C.

We have got to find a way to split the difference! Got a really, really big and powerful fan?

No that fan is earmarked for when the excrement hits it....not far off now!