Jesse Ventura says Ron Paul has Officially dropped out of the race....

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Attacking demand side doesn't necessarily mean attacking addicts. I'm pretty sure he means attacking demand side by helping the addicts to overcome their addiction. Jesse wants an end to the war on drugs.

Ok, good point, so maybe I'm knee-jerking. I could go along with helping addicts overcome addiction over what we have now. But, what about forcing recreational users into treatment? Not to mention, the system will get extremely nasty with healthcare companies and insurance companies trying to get their sticky fingers into that mess, and both of those are well established with the current nanny-state. It's better than prison for those affected, and maybe better for civil liberties, so I'd at least listen to such a proposal.

Also, I'm just tired of politicans constantly saying they're going to "attack" things and make a "war" on things and "fight" things for people. They know damn well that they'll never throw a single punch themselves, so they should stop using language like that entirely.

 

[TheConstitutionLives]

Ventura is a good guy. Don't bash him b/c he didn't know that paul was officially still in the race. That's unnecessary. He brags about Paul all the time and some folks on here are ripping the guy b/c he's not perfect. I say those of you who are bashing him should run yourself so we could all have a "perfect" candidate to vote for.

 

[Ninja Homer]

Ok, good point, so maybe I'm knee-jerking. I could go along with helping addicts overcome addiction over what we have now. But, what about forcing recreational users into treatment? Not to mention, the system will get extremely nasty with healthcare companies and insurance companies trying to get their sticky fingers into that mess, and both of those are well established with the current nanny-state. It's better than prison for those affected, and maybe better for civil liberties, so I'd at least listen to such a proposal.

I would definitely go with treatment over prison. It would be a hell of a lot cheaper than what we currently have. The best way to do it, of course, is to make it as local as possible. Why should somebody from a city with low drug addiction pay for treatment of people in a city of high drug addiction? It will improve the city, so people of that city (or county, or state) should pay for their improvement. Certainly, it isn't a job for the federal government.

Forcing recreational users into treatment wouldn't work. Drug addiction needs to be recognized and treated as a disease, like alcoholism. Yeah, I'm sure there would be cases where people would be given the option of going through treatment or never having the privilege to drive on public roads (or other such things, such as decent employment), but if they want to destroy their bodies via drug use, that's fine as long as they aren't hurting anybody else. That last statement sounds cold-hearted at first, but really when it comes down to it, laws can't help people in that situation. It takes local people to step up and help them out.

Also, I'm just tired of politicans constantly saying they're going to "attack" things and make a "war" on things and "fight" things for people. They know damn well that they'll never throw a single punch themselves, so they should stop using language like that entirely.

I agree with you 100%. Any time there's a war on a problem, it just makes the problem bigger. The term "war" needs to be reserved for being against very specific people.

 

[yongrel]

Ventura is a good guy. Don't bash him b/c he didn't know that paul was officially still in the race. That's unnecessary. He brags about Paul all the time and some folks on here are ripping the guy b/c he's not perfect. I say those of you who are bashing him should run yourself so we could all have a "perfect" candidate to vote for.

Perhaps it is unfair to condemn Ventura for this remark, but at this point...

I will take any opportunity I can get to make people realize that their time would be better spent on pursuits not relating to futile presidential campaigns.

 

[Kludge]

Perhaps it is unfair to condemn Ventura for this remark, but at this point...

I will take any opportunity I can get to make people realize that their time would be better spent on pursuits not relating to futile presidential campaigns.

 

[TheConstitutionLives]

Ventura lost my support.

haha What a joke!

 

[yongrel]

Amit Singh

Vern McKinley

BJ Lawson

Brent Sanders

to name a few more deserving recipients of our efforts

 

[Kludge]

Amit Singh

Vern McKinley

BJ Lawson

Brent Sanders

to name a few more deserving recipients of our efforts

*looks somewhat surprised and impressed* Thanks for clarification.

 

[jcarcinogen]

Ventura is a good guy. Don't bash him b/c he didn't know that paul was officially still in the race. That's unnecessary. He brags about Paul all the time and some folks on here are ripping the guy b/c he's not perfect.

What a joke.

 

[Gin]

I think the main point to this thread has gotten lost....

I believe the main point is that Ventura shouldn't have stated that Ron Paul had dropped out, since he hasn't. You talk about only supporting one candidate...well isn't that candidate Ron Paul...Ventura isn't running, Ron Paul has the popular vote, which we know can't win the election unless we have enough delegates at the convention...in which folks are working their booties off to try an accomplish.

I tell you if the MSM would watch these boards they could have a hay day with all the drama that comes out of them... it's simply crazy.... We need to do what we can between now and sept to get Ron Paul the Nomination from the Grassroots level (considering that Ron Paul never really thought he had a chance to begin with). If We The People REALLY want Ron Paul as our next President, then We The People need to make it happen......by telling others continuously about him, by believing that it is an achievable goal and by showing the World that we won't take no for an answer.....

As far as promoting Ron Paul like candidates into other areas of Government...yes...we need to also continue to do that, but to put down others for their views and tell them they are wrong for the way they think is just plain wrong....People...we are all in this together....it's good to agree to disagree, especially in a forum like this, but it's not good to say that because someone doesn't support your same ideas they are wrong is ludicrous.

This is a R3VOLUTION and Ron Paul is OUR Leader..... We MUST Stand TOGETHER behind our Leader and Lift Him up for All to see...

My own humble opinion......

Ventura has proven that he c an win as an indpendant, and got a VERY HIGH approval rating as an independant. And he's more than willing to run on ron pauls platform, or even with ron paul.

This election is a little different than the 50's and 60's (barr would've had a chance then)... we have to get media sheople to vote. The media sheople are treating this like fucking American Idol, and i dont like it any more than you do, but media sheople will tend to vote for Obama or Hillary due to their celebrity status.

Ventura has big time celebrity status, i never watched wrestling, and never really paid much attention to politics until recently, and i've known of him for years.

He has never let the strings of either party influence him, he's always forced them to work with him as opposed to the opposite.

what more reason do you need?

Bob barr is boring, im sorry but he's so bland. I love his policies, he's a great candidate on paper, but i do not beleive he will get any more than 15% in the general.. .i'd be surprised if he could even pull that off.

In my opinion, if we want to ACTUALLY win this thing... Ventura should be considered, and you should perhaps read his book before being so judgmental.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

That last statement sounds cold-hearted at first, but really when it comes down to it, laws can't help people in that situation. It takes local people to step up and help them out.

It wasn't meant to sound cold hearted, not that I'm afraid of being taken that way.

Mandated treatment is just another form of prison, with entirely different groups of people profiting.

And I'm not so sure that medical solutions are cheaper than prison solutions, either. They're probably just more friendly to the victim of said imprisonment since they don't have to deal with a population known for committing violent crimes against real people. IMO, the cheap solution is to only prosecute crimes where there's a real complainant. Ventura should start heading in that direction if he wants support from people like me.

 

[Gin]

So you have conceded that McInsane has won the Nomination.....thinking like that will NOT get Ron Paul into office. But it does make a difference on how McCain will indeed win the nomination....something no one is taking into consideration here is that it is by the MSM's numbers (that state RP only has 12 delegates) that states McCain has the Nomination....NO ONE HAS THE NOMINATION YET!!! They WON'T until September...so to say that Ron Paul has no chance is in my opinion just plain stupid and no better than what the MSM is reporting.... If New folks come on this board and see that RP can't win the nomination, then they will say oh well, guess it's McInsane then....yup if everyone keeps talking about Ron Paul not getting the Nomination, then you can be sure he will not just for the lack of Faith people on these boards have......I personally will continue to believe that RP has a chance to win, Just like Ron Paul himself has said...Abe Lincoln went into the RNC with 22 delegates and walked away with the Nomination....it can happen......if everyone would just be positive and quit being so negative about it.

[QUOTE Originally Posted by Midnight77 View Post
The reality of the situation is that Ron is no longer actively seeking the nomination. Nothing Jesse said is incorrect at this point. I don't know why it is so hard to accept the truth, anymore. Then, I see comments like Jesse can "get Fucked" ... "Jesse can blow me", etc. The posters of today come across like a bunch of adolescents. For all intents and purposes, John McCain will be the Republican nominee. Like it or not. The time has come to accept it, and then decide what is going to be done in the General Election about it. Whether it be voting Constitution/Libertarian Party, not voting at all, writing in Ron's name, or any other option. The time has long past in accepting that Ron isn't getting the GOP nomination.[/QUOTE]

 

[Ninja Homer]

It wasn't meant to sound cold hearted, not that I'm afraid of being taken that way.

Mandated treatment is just another form of prison, with entirely different groups of people profiting.

And I'm not so sure that medical solutions are cheaper than prison solutions, either. They're probably just more friendly to the victim of said imprisonment since they don't have to deal with a population known for committing violent crimes against real people. IMO, the cheap solution is to only prosecute crimes where there's a real complainant. Ventura should start heading in that direction if he wants support from people like me.

Sorry, by "last statement sounds cold-hearted at first" I was referring to my own last statement: "if they want to destroy their bodies via drug use, that's fine as long as they aren't hurting anybody else." I agree with you.

Medical treatment is definitely cheaper than prison. Prison is $20k - $40k per year, and maybe $5k per year for probation. Medical treatment is going to have a huge variance depending on the drug and the severity of the case, but I'd think it would be cheaper than a year of prison care.

Another thing to consider is that somebody sitting in prison isn't productive. There are over 2.25 million people in prison in the US right now, and over 50% of them are there for drug offenses. That's a lot of lost production, and a lot of money spent on incarcerating people for potentially trying to hurt themselves.

 

[Paulite]

give credit to the media. yes im sure the media programmed his mind like the million others that ron paul has dropped out

 

[dbhohio47]

You gotta love Jesse Ventura. SUCCESSFULLY flamboyant and outspoken... and, speaking Ron Paul's message. What's the problem here?

 

[MRoCkEd]

i honestly don't think jesse is purposely lying - he probably thinks ron paul has dropped out of the race

 

[Rangeley]

i honestly don't think jesse is purposely lying - he probably thinks ron paul has dropped out of the race

Yea, thats how it seemed to me. But he also says he has been "following Ron Paul closely." It can't have been that close.

 

[MRoCkEd]

Yea, thats how it seemed to me. But he also says he has been "following Ron Paul closely." It can't have been that close.

if there were no such thing as ron paul forums, i would also think he dropped out

 

[mdh]

if there were no such thing as ron paul forums, i would also think he dropped out

Well, his national campaign organization has thrown in the towel. The man himself and his real supporters haven't... Traditional politics though dictates that real supporters are manufactured and the candidate is just a figurehead on the campaign.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Well, his national campaign organization has thrown in the towel. The man himself and his real supporters haven't... Traditional politics though dictates that real supporters are manufactured and the candidate is just a figurehead on the campaign.

How can his national campaign throw in the towel? Ron Paul IS the campaign.