Jesse Ventura says Ron Paul has Officially dropped out of the race....

[orlandoinfl]

Ron Paul has not "offifically" dropped out.

Jesse is simply ignorant of the facts much like most people in this country.

He is a libertarian.

He needs to stop talking shit about winning and run for the libertarian nomination. Put up or shut up.

 

[Kludge]

The reality of the situation is that Ron is no longer actively seeking the nomination. Nothing Jesse said is incorrect at this point. I don't know why it is so hard to accept the truth, anymore. Then, I see comments like Jesse can "get Fucked" ... "Jesse can blow me", etc. The posters of today come across like a bunch of adolescents. For all intents and purposes, John McCain will be the Republican nominee. Like it or not. The time has come to accept it, and then decide what is going to be done in the General Election about it. Whether it be voting Constitution/Libertarian Party, not voting at all, writing in Ron's name, or any other option. The time has long past in accepting that Ron isn't getting the GOP nomination.

No longer actively seeking nomination??? He must just be giving speeches on behalf of his presidency for photo ops. then....

You can't pick multiple presidential candidates come November! This is about who that one person should be. If one person is lesser compared to another, why would you ever vote for them, or try to get others to? Ventura needs to be forgotten or hated as soon as possible to prevent the unwitting from voting for him or - worse - writing him in.

 

[ClayTrainor]

Ummm... noo... - No, I don't. Isn't Barr fighting for presidency on a "fairly libertarian platform"?

i should've worded that better...

my question should be... do you care about winning under a fairly libertarian platform, or voting for the libertarian platform more specific to your belief system?

im just trying to understand the loser mentality of many paul supporters.

 

[Midnight77]

No longer actively seeking nomination??? He must just be giving speeches on behalf of his presidency for photo ops. then....

You can't pick multiple presidential candidates come November! This is about who that one person should be. If one person is lesser compared to another, why would you ever vote for them, or try to get others to? Ventura needs to be forgotten or hated as soon as possible to prevent the unwitting from voting for him or - worse - writing him in.

Ron is going around, in my opinion, to spread the message and because he loves his supporters. Nothing more. I stand by my words. He is not actively seeking the nomination.

 

[Kludge]

He needs to stop talking shit about winning and run for the libertarian nomination. Put up or shut up.

He doesn't want LP nomination. Hates party's for being so "corrupt". He wants to run independent, and if I remember correctly - said he'd run if people could get him ballot access to all 50 states.

 

[ClayTrainor]

He doesn't want LP nomination. Hates party's for being so "corrupt". He wants to run independent, and if I remember correctly - said he'd run if people could get him ballot access to all 50 states.

that is true.

Although i dont know if he ever said that he doesn't want to run with the LP. he just doesnt seem to like Dems and Reps.

I think he would likely only run as an independant, which would be a real revolution if we supported it... i really dont think most paul supporters are into a real revolution, they just want to keep tweaking the system the way it's "supposed to be done"

ventura is real change... moreso than ron paul or even obama ... lmfao

Dont get me wrong though... paul supporters have done and are doing great things... i just feel we could influence the higher offices if only we played our cards smarter.

 

[Kludge]

i should've worded that better...

my question should be... do you care about winning under a fairly libertarian platform, or voting for the libertarian platform more specific to your belief system?

im just trying to understand the loser mentality of many paul supporters.

Specific to my belief of course. You're acting like Ventura is widely accepted for his political beliefs, he can't win. He's a truther, apparently listens to MSM and supports many other absurd policies.

 

[ClayTrainor]

Specific to my belief of course. You're acting like Ventura is widely accepted for his political beliefs, he can't win. He's a truther, apparently listens to MSM and supports many other absurd policies.

what the hell are you talking about????

a truther that listens to MSM... LMFAO...

sorry bro your just so way off... im not even sure how to argue this... this threw me off hahaha.

He was an underwater demolition expert in the Navy Seals... he has demolition experience, and anyone with half a brain and enough initiative to do a little research will tell you that, it's actually next to impossible for the WTC's to fall the way they did because of 2 planes. There were 3 fucking buildings that fell...

Dont try to paint me as a truther, im really not, but i can tell you that there are alot of holes in the official story that the government refuses to answer.

WTC7 isnt even talked about in the Commission report, and i read the entire thing.

if you cant see that there's more to 9/11 than we've been told... well then the media has proven yet again that their smear and ignorance tactics worked on yet another american citizen....

 

[Kludge]

what the hell are you talking about????

a truther that listens to MSM... LMFAO...

sorry bro your just so way off... im not even sure how to argue this... this threw me off hahaha.

He was an underwater demolition expert in the Navy Seals... he has demolition experience, and anyone with half a brain and enough initiative to do a little research will tell you that, it's actually next to impossible for the WTC's to fall the way they did because of 2 planes. There were 3 fucking buildings that fell...

Dont try to paint me as a truther, im really not, but i can tell you that there are alot of holes in the official story that the government refuses to answer.

WTC7 isnt even talked about in the Commission report, and i read the entire fucking thing.

if you cant see that there's more to 9/11 than we've been told... well then the media has proven yet again that their smear and ignorance tactics worked on yet another american citizen....

I'm not entirely sure where else he picked up on Paul dropping out.

To elaborate on some of the more questionable policies Ventura endorsed...

• As football commentator, found name “Redskins” offensive. (Jul 2000)
• Crime statistics are distorted to encourage racism. (Jul 2000)
• Put up with death penalty until life sentences mean life. (Jan 1999)
• Supported death penalty, but now as Governor opposes it. (Nov 1998)
• More federal funding for all aspects of Drug War. (Aug 2000)
• More money for class size reduction. (Jul 2000)
• Develop light rail tranist for Minnesota. (Dec 2000)
• Competitive electricity pricing; include alternative energy. (Dec 2000)
• Overcome dependency on foreign oil. (Jul 2000)
• Voluntary partnerships reduce greenhouse gases economically. (Aug 2000)
• Replace MTBE in gasoline with cleaner ethanol. (May 2000)
• Encourage fathers' participation in child-raising. (Sep 2001)
• Federal funds & state involvement in fatherhood initiatives. (Aug 2001)
• Buchanan is an unrealistic isolationist. (Feb 2000)
• Ban PAC funding; limit soft money; limit free air time. (Jul 2000)
• Supports “Minnesota Care”; tax to pay for uninsured. (Jul 2000)
• No national care, but pure capitalism can’t work. (Jul 2000)
• Maintain Medicare funding of HMO benefits. (Oct 1999)
• Against the draft; for including women except in combat. (Jan 1999)
• Training and retraining to resolve workforce shortage. (Dec 2000)
• Subsidize ethanol like we subsidize oil. (Jul 2000)
• Supports prevailing wages but not living wages. (Jan 1999)
• Strongly pro-union; and a union member. (Jan 1999)
• Supports national consumption tax to equalize tax burden. (Nov 1998)
• Support LIHEAP, low-income heating assistance. (May 2000)
• Maintain federal Social Services Block Grant funding. (Sep 2001)
• Maintain flexibility & funding levels for TANF block grants. (Sep 2001)

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

What many on here are doing are playing a rather pathetic game of semantics at this point. So, Ron never verbally said that "he dropped out". He did say, however, that "victory isn't possible in the conventional sense" and is not actively seeking the nomination at all, at this point. In the end, nothing Jesse said is incorrect at this point. I don't know why it is so hard to accept the truth, anymore. Then, I see comments like Jesse can "get Fucked" ... "Jesse can blow me", etc. The posters of today come across like a bunch of adolescents. For all intents and purposes, John McCain will be the Republican nominee. Like it or not. The time has come to accept it, and then decide what is going to be done in the General Election about it. Whether it be voting Constitution/Libertarian Party, not voting at all, writing in Ron's name, or any other option. The time has long past in accepting that Ron isn't getting the GOP nomination.

Jesse makes himself sound like a whackjob.

Hannity: do you think our borders should be secured?

Jesse: yesss....uhh no.. let's not be afraid of the brown people

he sounds sooo redundant

Let me make this clear. I don't oppose his view on immigration, but the man really needs a better delivery, especially on FOX NEWS CHANNEL!

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Jesse sounds retarded and his stance on "attacking the demand side" of drugs is a big turn off.

If that's true (I didn't know that), it would be a dealbreaker for me. The idea of "attacking" addicts is repulsive to me. The idea of "attacking" recreational drug users is repulsive to me. The "war on drugs" has been killing our society for years, and there's just about nothing positive to show for it. The drug warriors often bring up "X number of arrests" as their sign of success, or the drugs and money they steal from criminals. Pathetic.

 

[ClayTrainor]

Jesse makes himself sound like a whackjob.

Hannity: do you think our borders should be secured?

Jesse: yesss....uhh no.. let's not be afraid of the brown people

he sounds sooo redundant

Let me make this clear. I don't oppose his view on immigration, but the man really needs a better delivery, especially on FOX NEWS CHANNEL!

i'll agree with that

the same sort of thing happened to ron paul too. He often made statements that could've been worded so much better.

I think that's what u get with honest candidates though. They dont prepare, they simply speak from their belief system.

Gotta respect that, although it's harder to attain votes this way for sure.

 

[ClayTrainor]

If that's true (I didn't know that), it would be a dealbreaker for me. The idea of "attacking" addicts is repulsive to me. The idea of "attacking" recreational drug users is repulsive to me. The "war on drugs" has been killing our society for years, and there's just about nothing positive to show for it. The drug warriors often bring up "X number of arrests" as their sign of success, or the drugs and money they steal from criminals. Pathetic.

yea seriously.

I highly doubt he intends to punish more users... i just cant see this.

if that's true i'd question ventura as well, but i think his policy will probably be something very different from what we're conjuring up from that statement he made.

We really need more specifics from him, to help settle some of the debates we're all having here.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

i'll agree with that

the same sort of thing happened to ron paul too. He often made statements that could've been worded so much better.

I think that's what u get with honest candidates though. They dont prepare, they simply speak from their belief system.

Gotta respect that, although it's harder to attain votes this way for sure.

yup. I believe the same things, but I can't imagine myself not rehearing what I say lol.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

If that's true (I didn't know that), it would be a dealbreaker for me. The idea of "attacking" addicts is repulsive to me. The idea of "attacking" recreational drug users is repulsive to me. The "war on drugs" has been killing our society for years, and there's just about nothing positive to show for it. The drug warriors often bring up "X number of arrests" as their sign of success, or the drugs and money they steal from criminals. Pathetic.

Watch his interviews on youtube. He said, instead of attacking supply, why not attack demand? Maybe that's not what he meant. I don't know.

 

[familydog]

What many on here are doing are playing a rather pathetic game of semantics at this point. So, Ron never verbally said that "he dropped out". He did say, however, that "victory isn't possible in the conventional sense" and is not actively seeking the nomination at all, at this point. In the end, nothing Jesse said is incorrect at this point. I don't know why it is so hard to accept the truth, anymore. Then, I see comments like Jesse can "get Fucked" ... "Jesse can blow me", etc. The posters of today come across like a bunch of adolescents. For all intents and purposes, John McCain will be the Republican nominee. Like it or not. The time has come to accept it, and then decide what is going to be done in the General Election about it. Whether it be voting Constitution/Libertarian Party, not voting at all, writing in Ron's name, or any other option. The time has long past in accepting that Ron isn't getting the GOP nomination.

I think the point many here would stress is that yeah, John McCain will win. But Ron Paul is still actively seeking the most votes and the most delegates he can which means that he didn't drop out. Jesse Ventura is giving the impression that we should stop worrying about Ron Paul and what he is trying to do in this race. That is not something I am going to accept.

 

[orlandoinfl]

It's possible that Ventura wants a grassroots effort similar to Ron Paul so that he may run for president.

Thats why hes talking about:

1. parties suck (agree),
2. Ron Paul is not actively seeking nomination (true, yet he hasn't officially quit),
3. Ballot access is the only thing holding him back from winning (he did the "impossible" in MN, who knows)

What would it take to get Jesse ballot access at this point?

 

[Ninja Homer]

If that's true (I didn't know that), it would be a dealbreaker for me. The idea of "attacking" addicts is repulsive to me. The idea of "attacking" recreational drug users is repulsive to me. The "war on drugs" has been killing our society for years, and there's just about nothing positive to show for it. The drug warriors often bring up "X number of arrests" as their sign of success, or the drugs and money they steal from criminals. Pathetic.

Attacking demand side doesn't necessarily mean attacking addicts. I'm pretty sure he means attacking demand side by helping the addicts to overcome their addiction. Jesse wants an end to the war on drugs.

 

[jcarcinogen]

Ventura lost my support.

 

[Ninja Homer]

I'd be willing to bet that a large majority of the people still have no idea who Ron Paul is. Of the people who know who he is, I'd be willing to bet that a large majority of them think that Ron Paul dropped out. You can thank the media for that.

Almost all of the people I've spoken with lately that know who Ron Paul is, but didn't actively support him have told me that they were sorry to here that Ron Paul dropped out. MSM reported that he dropped out more widely than they ever reported he was in the race. Most people don't pay attention to politics any more than what they hear in the nightly news or newspaper headlines.

I'm sure Jesse Ventura just wasn't aware of the truth. He probably is by now.

The thing you have to keep in mind about Jesse Ventura is that he's all about Jesse Ventura. He has an ego the size of... well, his head. He isn't doing these interviews to promote Ron Paul, as much as all of us here would like him to. He's doing the interviews to promote himself and to promote his book.

He probably won't be running for president this time around, but he's hinted several times at running for senate against Norm Coleman and Al Franken. It will be a highly visible race, I'm pretty sure he'd win it, and it would set him up nicely for a presidential run in 2012.

He's very close to Ron Paul on the major issues. I feel the best way to look at Jesse from a Ron Paul supporter's perspective is that he's a big voice that gets a lot of media attention, and he'll help spread the message. He does understand Ron Paul's message, and one thing that Jesse is very good at is speaking very simply in a way that everybody will understand. As I'm sure you know, Ron Paul has a tendency to talk over some people's heads (and IQ's) at times.