Jesse Benton says campaign not formally making a push for delegates in MI convention

I met Jesse Benton once, and in my opinion he is a very nice and very capable individual. Everything I've seen him do and heard him say is 100% for the cause. He had me pumping my fist in the air when I watched him on C-SPAN with the other campaign managers. He has, arguably, the hardest job of the campaign, so cut him some slack.

Given that the campaign isn't over nor has he given up, he still just might put his grandfather-in-law in the White House. And even if he doesn't, I doubt there's anyone else in the country who could get him closer to it than he has. Run your mouth about him if it makes you feel better, but you simply couldn't do his job, not even for a day.
 
And even if he doesn't, I doubt there's anyone else in the country who could get him closer to it than he has. Run your mouth about him if it makes you feel better, but you simply couldn't do his job, not even for a day.
Strongly disagree. I'm not sure if it was jesse benton or not, but someone had to be telling Paul to not attack Romney. There were critical moments in this campaign (none bigger than the MI debate) where paul could have attacked romney and altered the course of the race such that we would be headed for a brokered convention. That the campaign could not force a brokered convention with the dynamic at play in late Feb/early March is a failure.
 
I'm in Michigan and am a delegate to the state convention. I can tell you that unless a person was a precinct delegates in 2008 it is unlikely that they will go to the state convention this year. At my county convention a slate of delegates was voted on and approved, and since new people couldn't vote and new delegate elections are in August it was impossible to take a majority of delegates unless it was planned 4 years ago; This probably happened in nearly every county. The establishment in Michigan is well entrenched, so I understand not making a huge push here. However, me and the others will do what we can this weekend. While the republicans here do not support RP I found many of them have been very reasonable and understanding.
 
I'm in Michigan and am a delegate to the state convention. I can tell you that unless a person was a precinct delegates in 2008 it is unlikely that they will go to the state convention this year. At my county convention a slate of delegates was voted on and approved, and since new people couldn't vote and new delegate elections are in August it was impossible to take a majority of delegates unless it was planned 4 years ago; This probably happened in nearly every county. The establishment in Michigan is well entrenched, so I understand not making a huge push here. However, me and the others will do what we can this weekend. While the republicans here do not support RP I found many of them have been very reasonable and understanding.

Stand by for a lot of people here to say "Don't cloud the issue with facts" (Ducking thrown objects)
 
I'm in Michigan and am a delegate to the state convention. I can tell you that unless a person was a precinct delegates in 2008 it is unlikely that they will go to the state convention this year. At my county convention a slate of delegates was voted on and approved, and since new people couldn't vote and new delegate elections are in August it was impossible to take a majority of delegates unless it was planned 4 years ago; This probably happened in nearly every county. The establishment in Michigan is well entrenched, so I understand not making a huge push here. However, me and the others will do what we can this weekend. While the republicans here do not support RP I found many of them have been very reasonable and understanding.

Good luck!
 
Possibly something to that but it's also a great opportunity for Paul to boost Kurt Bills' candidacy for US Senate. But we aren't that wildly dominant at all; we only had a majority of the delegations in 3 of 8 cong. districts but took 20 of 24 due to disciplined slate adherence by our people, along with a complete absence of competing slates by any other campaign. So now as a result of that success we go into state with less than 50% on paper at least and we face an organized slate and different voting rules that require 50% +1 to elect a delegate. So nothing is automatic this weekend, but we're hoping to take most or many of the remaining 13 delegate positions. But we may need some support from non-Paulers who don'tcare for Romney to get over that 50% hump, we'll see.

best of luck!
 
Possibly something to that but it's also a great opportunity for Paul to boost Kurt Bills' candidacy for US Senate. But we aren't that wildly dominant at all; we only had a majority of the delegations in 3 of 8 cong. districts but took 20 of 24 due to disciplined slate adherence by our people, along with a complete absence of competing slates by any other campaign. So now as a result of that success we go into state with less than 50% on paper at least and we face an organized slate and different voting rules that require 50% +1 to elect a delegate. So nothing is automatic this weekend, but we're hoping to take most or many of the remaining 13 delegate positions. But we may need some support from non-Paulers who don'tcare for Romney to get over that 50% hump, we'll see.

So change the rules if you think it will work in your favor. They do it. You can do it too. No rule is set in stone and Robert's Rules will give you a chance to challenge any rule you don't like. Just Google "how to change rules roberts rules" if you think a rule change is in order.
 
Email I just got.

Title: Nothing changes. Get ready for convention

Dear Michigan Patriots,

Apologies for not being in closer contact. Things are getting quite hectic as we prepare for state convention, and I am just not able to respond to the volume of e-mail I am getting.

Let's do a web conference Thursday night at 7:30 and I will go over everything.

Click here to register for the web conference.

A few things you should know up front:

-Ron Paul did NOT drop out and he did NOT suspend his campaign; a press release was wildly dis-interpreted by the mass media (shocking, I know) which stated that the campaign was not competing in upcoming primaries. The release was intended to do nothing more than manage expectations. (We are not, for instance, going to win California when the entire media establishment has already declared Mitt Romney the nominee and it would take millions and millions of dollars of ads to counteract that.)

The press release was quite clear that we still intend to win as many national delegates as possible, and that includes delegates from Michigan.

-We still need EVERY Ron Paul supporter planning to attend state convention, even if only as guests.

-Last week's web conference is posted to Grassroots Central. It goes over all the major details about the state convention and it is a must-watch for all Ron Paul supporters who are delegates and alternates to the convention.

-The list of district coordinators is posted to Grassroots Central as well. COORDINATE WITH YOUR DISTRICT COORDINATOR. Send them an e-mail, let them know if you are attending state convention. And you MUST coordinate with them if you plan to run for national delegate. Many are planning meetings between now and Friday.

I will announce shortly any pre-convention meetings we can hold in Detroit before we go into the state convention, and a few other details.

This is getting exciting, yes?

See you in Detroit.

For Liberty,
Adam de Angeli

ITS NOT OVER UNTIL WE TAKE OUT COUNTRY BACK FROM THE TYRANTS!

Instead of bitching about Benton, help Adam de Angeli.
 
You know when Jack Nicholson had that fleeting belief that the people around him in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest weren't completely insane only to have that belief shattered when the reality of the mental state of those around him became apparent again?

I feel like that is what's happening here now. There's a whoooole bunch of crazy going on.

And the people who aren't acting insane are acting like sniveling, bratty children.

This board has not been representing the best and brightest of the movement recently.

The problem is that the people who believe that we're going to win are here on the message board, and some of the people who think that it's more likely that Romney will win aren't here. That skews things.
 
I met Jesse Benton once, and in my opinion he is a very nice and very capable individual. Everything I've seen him do and heard him say is 100% for the cause. He had me pumping my fist in the air when I watched him on C-SPAN with the other campaign managers. He has, arguably, the hardest job of the campaign, so cut him some slack.

Given that the campaign isn't over nor has he given up, he still just might put his grandfather-in-law in the White House. And even if he doesn't, I doubt there's anyone else in the country who could get him closer to it than he has. Run your mouth about him if it makes you feel better, but you simply couldn't do his job, not even for a day.

Great post.

The overly emotional, whining, sniveling brats around here could not do a better job than Jesse has done. Period.
 
How about this for a reason about Jesse's behavior: Fear of Success. It's a diagnosed medical condition.

In psychology, fear of success is about being subconsciously afraid of succeeding. These signs of self-sabotage reveal how fear and perfectionism hold you back.

http://l-pawlik-kienlen.suite101.com/how-fear-of-success-works-a49666

Fear of success can be just as paralyzing as fear of failure. Many people fear success because it tests their limits and makes them vulnerable to new situations. Even worse, success can expose weaknesses and force people to deal with their flaws.

Success is scary because it involves change. Success can be intimidating and hard to handle. With success comes more challenges and responsibilities – and that can be threatening.

Sometimes people fear success because they don’t know if they can live up to their achievements. They don’t think they’re good enough or smart enough. They're afraid they don't have what it takes to rise to the challenge, and they don't know if they can sustain their success.

And that’s where self-sabotaging behavior comes in.

Signs of Fear of Success and Self-Sabotage
How do you know if you’re afraid of success? Some possible signs of self-sabotage are:

1. “Partying” the night before the big presentation. This can be literal partying (drinking too much, experimenting with drugs, staying out until the wee hours) or metaphorical partying (cleaning your house until 3 a.m., drinking too much coffee or soda pop so you can’t sleep). You may be flirting with self-sabotage if you somehow always ruin a good night’s rest before a big presentation, exam, or job interview.

2. Procrastination. Putting projects, assignments, or duties off while you take care of non-essential fluff or "make-work" chores can be a sign of fear of success. If you putter around instead of taking care of business, you may be subconsciously sabotaging yourself.

3. All talk, no action. Sometimes certain behaviors look like laziness, but they reveal a fear of success. For instance, you may talk about your life dreams and goals all the time, but you watch TV every night and surf the Internet for hours every day. You never actually take practical steps or exert self-discipline to move in the direction of your goals.

4. Negative, pessimistic thoughts and behaviors. Fear of success can involve an extremely negative perspective of life. “What’s the point of dressing up for the job interview? I probably won’t get it anyway.” Not trying – and focusing on all the things that can go wrong – is self-sabotaging behavior.

What’s the benefit of these self-sabotaging behaviors? They provide an escape hatch. That is, if you party the night before or put your project off to the last minute, you can then shrug off your performance. You have an excuse for not doing well. Instead of facing the fear that you're not good or smart enough, you chalk it up to too many beers.

New Research on Self-Sabotage
Dr. Jason Plaks is a social psychologist at the University of Toronto. He researched self-sabotage and why some people can’t handle success with Kristin Stecher, a research scientist at the University of Washington. They found that if people think their professional skills and abilities are fixed, they’ll become anxious if they’re successful. These researchers found that people with a fixed view of their abilities get disoriented when they succeed, and their performance then spirals downward.

To apply this to real life: if you see your abilities as changeable (or not set in stone), you may be more likely to succeed. This could be one step in the direction of overcoming fear of success: see your skills and talents as variable. They grow with practice, and get rusty with disuse.
 
Great post.

The overly emotional, whining, sniveling brats around here could not do a better job than Jesse has done. Period.


You have absolutely no right to make this statement, as you have absolutely no way of estimating the political know-how and capabilities of every individual in the grassroots organization. Period. So how about instead of making false blanket statements and unwarranted personal attacks, you just quiet yourself? Basically, this is the nicest form of me saying shut the fuck up, KingNothing. People have a right to be confused and upset with the official campaign, and voicing those grievances =/= whining and being a sniveling brat. Think before you post.
 
You have absolutely no right to make this statement, as you have absolutely no way of estimating the political know-how and capabilities of every individual in the grassroots organization. Period. So how about instead of making false blanket statements and unwarranted personal attacks, you just quiet yourself? Basically, this is the nicest form of me saying shut the fuck up, KingNothing. People have a right to be confused and upset with the official campaign, and voicing those grievances =/= whining and being a sniveling brat. Think before you post.

Yes, I certainly should have more faith in what a shlub with a username here thinks than what Paul and his group believe. Right.

Are you kidding?

The arrogance, which borders on the edge of insanity, of some posters here is absolutely astonishing. And the self-importance isn't far behind, either.

What the hell has happened to this place?
 
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I've known a lot of campaign managers in my life. It is often a pretty stressful job, since so many people are expecting so much of them, but I'm willing to bet that a decent amount of people here have more strenuous jobs. And I am positive that some people here could do his job for a campaign season. Not everybody here, but a few people surely could pull it off. Probably no manager on earth could have changed the sequence of political events too much, however.
 
I thought over it a bit, and one thing is obvious:
Jesse Benton is trolling. My hope is he's trolling the media/Romney camp and we are collateral damage, stuck in a perpetual self trolling cycle. Jesse has been phrasing everything so recklessly that it is obvious he's trolling, the only question is who?
 
So.... we're refocusing the campaign to a more focused delegate strategy but now we aren't going to do anything in Michigan?

My state's convention is in 3 weeks... the last couple days have killed my desire to go. If they're going to quit, why should we keep fighting for them?
 
So.... we're refocusing the campaign to a more focused delegate strategy but now we aren't going to do anything in Michigan?

My state's convention is in 3 weeks... the last couple days have killed my desire to go. If they're going to quit, why should we keep fighting for them?

There are still grassroots supporters in Michigan who are organizing for the convention. They have sent out several emails the last couple days reminding everyone to show up. So what do you mean they aren't going to do anything in Michigan? The campaign didn't officially do anything in Arizona and Oklahoma yet the grassroots still showed up and won...

No one is quitting...Ron Paul will be at the Minnesota state convention this weekend, the Texas state convention in June, and possibly others. Who quit?
 
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